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    Stage 11 - ITT

    I just hope Froome puts another 2+ minutes on the field. Would serve the ASO right. Massive third week drama FAIL! LOL Froome with 4' after 11 stages would be hilarious! Will it teach those idiot organizers a lesson? Try spreading out the stages instead of giving us 90% sprint stages in the first 2 weeks maybe? Today is one day I'm rooting for the Roid Donkey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
    I just hope Froome puts another 2+ minutes on the field. Would serve the ASO right. Massive third week drama FAIL! LOL Froome with 4' after 11 stages would be hilarious! Will it teach those idiot organizers a lesson? Try spreading out the stages instead of giving us 90% sprint stages in the first 2 weeks maybe? Today is one day I'm rooting for the Roid Donkey!
    You really haven't a clue, have you? Out of 11 stages we've had a TTT and an ITT, two mountain stages and two more that were lumpy enough to prevent the sprinters from contesting the finsh. So in fact we have had less than 50% sprint stages in the first 11 days riding.

    Plus, your argument makes no sense. If they concentrated more sprint stages in the early part of the race there would be less chance of any GC contenders establishing a lead. So if what you want is suspense into the last week, you should be arguing for more sprint stages in the first two weeks, not fewer.
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    You really haven't a clue, have you? Out of 11 stages we've had a TTT and an ITT, two mountain stages and two more that were lumpy enough to prevent the sprinters from contesting the finsh. So in fact we have had less than 50% sprint stages in the first 11 days riding.

    Plus, your argument makes no sense. If they concentrated more sprint stages in the early part of the race there would be less chance of any GC contenders establishing a lead. So if what you want is suspense into the last week, you should be arguing for more sprint stages in the first two weeks, not fewer.


    Totally agreed.

    Anyway @cthenn, you got your wish. Froome is now 3:25 ahead of 2nd place. I'm glad to see Tony Martin doing what Tony Martin does best after an early injury.

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    See, no doping. He lost by 12 seconds.

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    Whatever your views on sky and all the recent murmurings, one thing is for sure, the tour is suffering as a result of team skys dominance.

    Maybe its just a pitifully weak field, just like last year, but either way its not going to be very entertaining watching the next 10 stages or so........a feeble attempt here, a feeble attempt there, nullified as froome is unshakeable.

    And before anyone gets on at me about it being more than a GC race, that maybe the case for the serious riders amongst you, but the reality is that many average fans want to see a challenge for the overall, as that is what most will relate too, a winner.

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    Forget about Froome, just look at the race as a competition for 2nd place. It's going to be a good race if y'all do that.
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    TT's are so boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    TT's are so boring.
    must admit I was a little bummed when I opened today's thread, but I'll watch some tonight anyway
    cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting

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    LOL just as I thought! It's all over folks! Battle for first and second loser still available though. If anyone actually believes Froome is going to have a bad day, keep dreaming. Probably win by over 10 minutes overall.

    But, just think...if this doper was not in the race, here's the standings after Stage 11:

    Valverde @ 0:00
    Mollema(!!!) @ :12
    Contador @ :19
    Kreuziger @ :22
    Ten Dam @ :45
    Kwiatkowski @ 1:19
    Quintana @ 1:53

    See that!!! See how exciting this race could be with most of these riders likely clean? What a race we'd have! Ten Dam and Mollema actually contending! 2 guys within 2 minutes of the lead, both battling for the white jersey, hope for the future! And all of a sudden Contador doesn't look like a slob anymore, once he's not compared to Super Donkey. Man...just catch Froome and you have one of the best races I've seen in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincipeddler View Post
    Whatever your views on sky and all the recent murmurings, one thing is for sure, the tour is suffering as a result of team skys dominance.

    Maybe its just a pitifully weak field, just like last year, but either way its not going to be very entertaining watching the next 10 stages or so........a feeble attempt here, a feeble attempt there, nullified as froome is unshakeable.

    And before anyone gets on at me about it being more than a GC race, that maybe the case for the serious riders amongst you, but the reality is that many average fans want to see a challenge for the overall, as that is what most will relate too, a winner.
    No, I tend to agree. Average fans or no, everyone wants to see the yellow jersey up for grabs coming into the final week. That's why I thought 2011 was the best tour we've seen in years, Evans and Schleck went down to the final TT, and you didn't know when somebody was going to blow up in the mountains. It was the most open field we've had since the pre-Lance days, and it showed.


    It's nothing to do with route design, though. Froome is dominant in the mountains and in the time trials. So no matter when you put the mountains and where you put the time trials, and how long you make the TT stages and how many consecutive HC passes you put in one day, he's going to put minutes into people at every point along the way. Just be thankful the time trials aren't as long as they used to be; in 1992, at the stage 11 65km ITT in Luxembourg, Indurain won the stage by 3 minutes, and put 4 into most of the GC contenders. And there was another 66km TT later in the race. It rendered the Alps pretty pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
    LOL just as I thought! It's all over folks! Battle for first and second loser still available though. If anyone actually believes Froome is going to have a bad day, keep dreaming. Probably win by over 10 minutes overall.

    But, just think...if this doper was not in the race, here's the standings after Stage 11:

    Valverde @ 0:00
    Mollema(!!!) @ :12
    Contador @ :19
    Kreuziger @ :22
    Ten Dam @ :45
    Kwiatkowski @ 1:19
    Quintana @ 1:53

    See that!!! See how exciting this race could be with most of these riders likely clean? What a race we'd have! Ten Dam and Mollema actually contending! 2 guys within 2 minutes of the lead, both battling for the white jersey, hope for the future! And all of a sudden Contador doesn't look like a slob anymore, once he's not compared to Super Donkey. Man...just catch Froome and you have one of the best races I've seen in a long time.
    If you don't want to watch dopers then don't watch cycling. Some of the guys in your above list are using right now. Some will get caught and some won't.

    I don't like it, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm View Post
    TT's are so boring.
    But they offer an opportunity for in-depth investigative reporting, like how to make tires grippy with low rolling resistance. And how rider feedback is critical for tire research.
    http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

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    If you don't want to watch dopers, don't watch sports!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLBroox View Post
    If you don't want to watch dopers, don't watch sports!
    Pat says it's clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    If you don't want to watch dopers then don't watch cycling. Some of the guys in your above list are using right now. Some will get caught and some won't.

    I don't like it, but it is what it is.
    Correct, and it's been that way for 100 years!

    Nothing changed, except the type of drugs they use.
    100 years ago, they used what they thought would give them the best advantage.
    If they knew of blood doping and EPO back then, they would have used it.
    Just like they use it now!
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    Looks like cavendish is public enemy number one as well!!

    Had urine thrown at him, surely after yesterdays incident.......i thought he came out and apologised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincipeddler View Post
    Looks like cavendish is public enemy number one as well!!

    Had urine thrown at him, surely after yesterdays incident.......i thought he came out and apologised?
    Sure, but apparently to some race fans initially claiming no fault but then apologizing only after everyone gets on your case isn't the same as just apologizing in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincipeddler View Post
    Whatever your views on sky and all the recent murmurings, one thing is for sure, the tour is suffering as a result of team skys dominance.

    Maybe its just a pitifully weak field, just like last year, but either way its not going to be very entertaining watching the next 10 stages or so........a feeble attempt here, a feeble attempt there, nullified as froome is unshakeable.
    I think Sky's dominance in cycling right now is much like Ferrari was during the Schumacher/Todt/Braun era. They were unbeatable most every race, year after year and if you were a Ferrari fan, life was good, but if not, F1 was a borefest. I'm guessing if you are a Brit and a Sky fan, life is very, very good right now to, but for the rest it seems like a bore.

    In an era of parity in sports, we are not used to witnessing greatness. We want to believe that everyone has a chance, even our mediocre teams and stars. I to believe this field is weak and have said it for awhile, but there is no doubting that Sky as a team is one of the great ones. They are doing exactly what most of us thought they would, so why are so many now surprised?
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    I think the problem people have is that every sky rider seems to become a machine in no time......riders who just made up the numbers move to sky and dominate alleged super tour riders........rogers as an example, now porte.....following on from froome and wiggins.

    Im a brit living in the usa, and national pride multiplies when you become an expat, i was on cloud nine after murrays win at wimbledon...........but sadly im not enjoying this domination at all, maybe subconciusly i just have huge doubts like many many others........either way my tour experience of the last two years(i hope im wrong this year) has been truly miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincipeddler View Post
    Im a brit living in the usa, and national pride multiplies when you become an expat, i was on cloud nine after murrays win at wimbledon...........but sadly im not enjoying this domination at all, maybe subconciusly i just have huge doubts like many many others........either way my tour experience of the last two years(i hope im wrong this year) has been truly miserable.
    I say just enjoy it.

    Nobody is going to blame GB or it's people if Sky did come up dirty, just like I don't think (or hope!) that the world looked badly on America for USPS and Lance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    See, no doping.
    Ladies and Gentlemen, you can rest easy as the matter is now closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
    I say just enjoy it.

    Nobody is going to blame GB or it's people if Sky did come up dirty, just like I don't think (or hope!) that the world looked badly on America for USPS and Lance.

    This is America. It's our god-given right to plame the post office for everything.

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    What a treat watching today's time trials! Last year Carolyn and I toured Normandy, Brittany and the Loire Valley. We had no idea about the 2013 tour locations. Yesterday the tour went through Dinan, Cancal and St. Malo. We stayed ner Dinan, had an oyster lunch in Cancale right on the route they took near the ocean. Finally I walked all over the finish area at St. Malo and took hundreds of images.


    Then today. We stopped for some shopping (for yarn for Carolyn , what else?) and had lunch on a bench in Avranches in the town center not 10 feet from the start of the time trial and later in the day we visited Mont Saint Martin. What a wonderful memory seeing these beautiful sites over again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Gibson View Post
    Finally I walked all over the finish area at St. Malo and took hundreds of images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cincipeddler View Post
    I think the problem people have is that every sky rider seems to become a machine in no time......riders who just made up the numbers move to sky and dominate alleged super tour riders........rogers as an example, now porte.....following on from froome and wiggins.

    Im a brit living in the usa, and national pride multiplies when you become an expat, i was on cloud nine after murrays win at wimbledon...........but sadly im not enjoying this domination at all, maybe subconciusly i just have huge doubts like many many others........either way my tour experience of the last two years(i hope im wrong this year) has been truly miserable.
    I'm a Brit who dislikes Sky for reasons we needn't go into here. But it is ridculous to say that Rogers and Porte were nonentities until they joined Sky. Rogers was world TT champion in 2003/4/5. Porte was the best young rider in the 2010 Giro. These were top guys, making up the numbers was not their game.

    Sky may be doping, they may not, I don't know. But one reason for their dominance is that they have the money to buy the top talent. Theu have at least a half-dozen riders who would be the team leader in most of the smaller teams.
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