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Old 07-11-13, 11:35 AM   #1
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So ... Stage 12

How about that finish?
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Old 07-11-13, 12:29 PM   #2
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The german won fair squared and from behind. If cav complains is because he really did not have the legs.
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Old 07-11-13, 12:57 PM   #3
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The german won fair squared and from behind. If cav complains is because he really did not have the legs.

"I don't think me, or the team, could have done anything differently.

He was just simply better. I tweeted the other day I think he's the next big thing. I think he's the next superstar in sprinting and he showed it.

He's won three stages now and that's not easy. I can tell you that from experience

You can analyse it, but when there is someone simply faster than you there is nothing you can do"

What a whiner.
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Old 07-11-13, 02:04 PM   #4
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I'm not sure I've ever seen Cav lose in a straight-up drag race like he did today. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Has this Tour spooked him?

Kittel has really arrived in this Tour with 3 stage wins. He was cranking in what looked like a much higher gear than Cav and his pulls looked seriously powerful. At 6'2", 190 lbs, he is a real specimen, especially compared to Cav's short, not-so-imposing physique. Some might say that Kittels first stage win in Corsica was a fluke because the best sprinters went down in a crash, but he is the real deal now...

So, whats with the Germans this year?
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Funny Cavendish signed with a team that was out to fully support him, but once again, Kittel's team proved superior which ended up with Kittel getting the win. Nice job by Kittel and what will Cavendish's excuse be now?
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Old 07-11-13, 02:28 PM   #6
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Funny Cavendish signed with a team that was out to fully support him, but once again, Kittel's team proved superior which ended up with Kittel getting the win. Nice job by Kittel and what will Cavendish's excuse be now?
As Leinster has posted, he doesn't seem to offer up one:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...-france_294666

His comments at the bottom of article.
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Old 07-11-13, 02:34 PM   #7
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I'm not sure I've ever seen Cav lose in a straight-up drag race like he did today.
Roberto Ferrari took him on and won straight up on stage 11 of the Giro last year.
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Old 07-11-13, 03:31 PM   #8
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His comments at the bottom of article.
Thanks, glad he didn't whine about it. Usian Bolt loses races also from time to time, and Kittel and his team are in a zone at the moment. Marcel Kittel is certainly the breakout star this year of the race.
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Old 07-11-13, 06:04 PM   #9
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Cav does win a lot, but I'm pretty sure I've seen him lose to Greipel fair & square a few times.

Cav also did basically have a good leadout today. Kittel was able to come right out behind Cav. That's not a problem with the leadout....
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Old 07-11-13, 06:05 PM   #10
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Also, Boassen Hagen is out, due to the crash.

Good thing Froome has that huge lead, he's gonna need it. Especially if the Spaniards all manage to gang up on him.
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The team mate thing is way overrated in my book........all froome has to do is sit in on any rider he likes.
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Old 07-11-13, 06:33 PM   #12
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The team mate thing is way overrated in my book........all froome has to do is sit in on any rider he likes.
You could be right, because Froome showed that he can really ride on his own in that second mountain stage without any problems. But I think it is pretty essential in the flat, bunch sprint stages like today to have teamates around you that can keep you focused and in the right position to stay clear of the accidents...
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Old 07-11-13, 07:13 PM   #13
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The team mate thing is way overrated in my book........all froome has to do is sit in on any rider he likes.
You think 'any rider' is going to give him his bike if he has a problem on a narrow mountain road?
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You think 'any rider' is going to give him his bike if he has a problem on a narrow mountain road?
There's no such thing as a narrow mountain road in the tdf. You must be thinking of the giro.
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There's no such thing as a narrow mountain road in the tdf. You must be thinking of the giro.
You've never watched a climb up Mont Ventoux with 1/2 million spectators lining the road? I'm sure there are many other situations where a rider can be isolated with no support in close vicinity.
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Probably he was being sarcastic?
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Old 07-11-13, 08:44 PM   #17
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Yeah giacomo, i was talking in the mountains, it is essential for sure on the sprint days.
And thats a good point about a mechanical, stranger things have happened as we saw with schleck a few years back
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The team mate thing is way overrated in my book........all froome has to do is sit in on any rider he likes.
Yeah... no. While cycling relies heavily on the individual, it's still a team sport. No one can win a grand tour single-handed.

1) He won't have teammates providing him with support, water, snacks, drafting and pacing him on the climbs.
2) There's quite a few roads where if he gets a flat, he could easily lose 30s or more waiting for a team car.
3) Sky doesn't have the double-threat pressure they did last year.
4) He has fewer people to keep him on the front, which can get split by wind.

So it's not the end of his Tour, but it definitely makes things a lot harder for him.
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Marcel Kittel is certainly the breakout star this year of the race.
That he is and I, for one, am glad to see Cav get competition in the sprints with the GC having gone the way it has thus far.
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Did you guys see the first crash of the day for stage 12...where the rider takes a leak on the side of the road while the mechanic changes his wheel? I thought it was amusing the camera guy stayed on him practically the entire time. Poor guy.
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The team mate thing is way overrated in my book........all froome has to do is sit in on any rider he likes.
You clearly have no understanding of racing; learn and update your "book".
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The team mate thing is way overrated in my book........all froome has to do is sit in on any rider he likes.
How's that working out for Froome today? 20km to go and the whole Saxo squad are off the front in the echelons.
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Did you guys see the first crash of the day for stage 12...where the rider takes a leak on the side of the road while the mechanic changes his wheel? I thought it was amusing the camera guy stayed on him practically the entire time. Poor guy.
Well, they definitively answered the question about what do pro cyclists do when nature calls. There were actually 2-3 other shots of riders taking a pee break later on. Do you think the increased "exposure" had anything to do with Cavendish's experiences the day before?
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I haven't seen the whole race yet. I usually watch in the evening before going to bed...which means I usually fall asleep half way through so I always get a bit behind until I can catch up on the weekend.

Still, between the bus getting stuck under the sign, the dog running out in front of the peleton, all the crashes, pee tossed on Cav, the one spectator wearing a gstring that the camera hung on for like 45 seconds in one of the first mountain stages, and all the mooning I've seen happen...I have to say, this tour has been very entertaining.
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