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    Stage 13 - Tours → Saint-Amand-Montrond - thriller

    Exciting stage!
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    I love echelons. I hate cycling in the wind, but I love stages/races like this.

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    Best stage of the Tour so far. Really fun to watch.
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    So much for sky being unstoppable.. amazing stage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhayes View Post
    So much for sky being unstoppable.. amazing stage!
    Yep. Expect to see more of the same in coming stages - Saxo and Belkin attacking, to isolate Froome.

    Bummer stage for AVV. Likely out of GC contention, due to a flat.

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    Yeah, that was one exciting stage!! This thing is not over yet.

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    Presuming the GC stays the same tomorrow it's going to make the ascent of Mont Ventoux on Sunday very interesting.

    ST are going to feel Sky's vulnerable and surely will try to attack.
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    Nice. That's what you think a bike race should look like until you learn that these things don't happen.

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    I thought that after the 8th stage the "race was over" and everyone is supposed to give up and just soft pedal it to the end? Cancel the rest of the race and wrap it up early?

    Great stage, I loved the interview with Cav at the end where he explained what had gone on and how the break just "happened" and everyone had seconds to make it or lose out. That's the best racing yet, where it doesn't seem like they are all pawns of a few team captains playing a three week game of chess.

    Glad it's open and I really hope the riders start attacking visciously in the mountains, throw it all on the line, attack the yellow, take a flyer on a wing and a prayer etc!
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    Its set up Sunday nicely, i really hope it doesn't turn into an anti-climax.

    I really don't see anybody cracking Froome on a mountain, they can attack all they want, he only has to sit on the wheel of the main threat, whoever he thinks that is, my guess is contador.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cincipeddler View Post
    Its set up Sunday nicely, i really hope it doesn't turn into an anti-climax.

    I really don't see anybody cracking Froome on a mountain, they can attack all they want, he only has to sit on the wheel of the main threat, whoever he thinks that is, my guess is contador.
    The problem with that idea is, what if he doesn't pick the right wheel?

    Team Sky has kind of shot themselves in the foot and Froome will need the help chasing down the breaks that are sure to come.
    They have not shown the ability to do that so far. At least not after the first mt stage.

    Should be fun to watch for sure!
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    I loved a few things about the stage.

    1. The echelons are indeed a blast to watch
    2. The efforts made by the various groups was amazing
    3. Cav's excitement in describing the breaks was great

    I felt sorry for Valverde...what a way to lose so much time.

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    Wooooo, what a stage!

    I was breathless just watching the energy these riders had to put out on an "easy" day! Watching these guys ride in the wind like that really reminds me of watching F1 racing in a downpour, anything can happen and anyone can win.

    Sky is actually looking fairly vulnerable this Tour, which I didn't expect. All credit to Froome, because he is really hanging in there on his own for the most part. And when you look at what happened to Valverde today, he got dropped for a flat even with 4 teamates around him. It could be far worse should that happen to Froome, because Sky as a team appears weaker.

    Good effort by Cav to stay in the lead pack to pick-up an easy win. Sagan has not impressed me in the sprints yet. He really is a stroke or two off of the best sprinters right now. Maybe it's all about the green jersey and not wins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
    Sagan has not impressed me in the sprints yet. He really is a stroke or two off of the best sprinters right now. Maybe it's all about the green jersey and not wins?
    Well he does have a stage win, and his team got their tactics dead right for it; he's not as fast as Cav, Greipel or Kittel, but if there's a couple of bumps in the road he can get to the finish without them. He has a big lead in the green jersey, and there are more lumpy stages than flat ones left, (tomorrow is a case in point; the profile looks like a rip saw, so Sagan could easily pick up 40+ points to no reply) so if he wants to focus on getting over the medium hills and picking up points (and stage wins) that way, I don't see anything wrong with it.

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    Choosing the Riders to Mark

    Credit to Belkin and Saxo Tinkoff for gapping Froome. But they needed a bit of inattention from Froome. He didn't seem to mark Mollema, Contador and ten Dam. Cavendish, for instance, paid attention and caught on before the Belkin/Saxo Tinkoff group got away. When I saw Froome (admitting that I was not keeping notes) he was not riding at the pointy end of the peloton. I'd want him to mark Contador as closely as Cavendish did.

    There was an Astana rider a few years ago who was inattentive on a flat stage and got gapped off by the wind. It seems like the riders -- or at least the DSes -- should learn their lessons. The yellow jersey can't phone it in, even on a flat stage, until Paris.

    Someone on Twitter pointed out Sky's loss of Sean Yates; he would have kept Froome in sight of his top rivals so they couldn't get the jump on him. Someone, at least, was not doing what needed to be done on today's stage.

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    ^^Cavendish said himself that he only just got on with the help of team mate Kwiatkowski but Froome hadn't got any team help at the vital moment. He needed someone like Boasson Hagen (out) or Porte (trailing minutes behind).

    Can't blame Froome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athens80 View Post
    Credit to Belkin and Saxo Tinkoff for gapping Froome. But they needed a bit of inattention from Froome. He didn't seem to mark Mollema, Contador and ten Dam. Cavendish, for instance, paid attention and caught on before the Belkin/Saxo Tinkoff group got away. When I saw Froome (admitting that I was not keeping notes) he was not riding at the pointy end of the peloton. I'd want him to mark Contador as closely as Cavendish did.

    There was an Astana rider a few years ago who was inattentive on a flat stage and got gapped off by the wind. It seems like the riders -- or at least the DSes -- should learn their lessons. The yellow jersey can't phone it in, even on a flat stage, until Paris.

    Someone on Twitter pointed out Sky's loss of Sean Yates; he would have kept Froome in sight of his top rivals so they couldn't get the jump on him. Someone, at least, was not doing what needed to be done on today's stage.
    Froome didn't appear to be far behind Cav when Saxo drilled it. It was a little hard to tell distances with telephoto lens but Cav looked like he was sprinting and Froome was just a few riders back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    Can't blame Froome.
    Nicolas Roche was close to the action, and he thought Froome was inattentive:
    "We spotted that Froome wasn't well-placed, I spoke to Michael (Rogers), he looked to Alberto, who said OK." 1/2 Nico Roche, SaxoBank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    ^^Cavendish said himself that he only just got on with the help of team mate Kwiatkowski but Froome hadn't got any team help at the vital moment. ... Can't blame Froome.
    The GC leader is supposed to mark his GC rivals more closely than Cavendish or Kwiatkowski do.

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    When the last split happened Froome was right out in the wind, trying to close the gap. He didn't make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athens80 View Post
    The GC leader is supposed to mark his GC rivals more closely than Cavendish or Kwiatkowski do.
    He shouldn't have to do it on his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
    When the last split happened Froome was right out in the wind, trying to close the gap. He didn't make it.
    Because he wasn't well placed. That's the point. Roche, Rogers and Contador saw that and used it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
    Sagan has not impressed me in the sprints yet. He really is a stroke or two off of the best sprinters right now. Maybe it's all about the green jersey and not wins?
    I think he is as just as fast as the best sprinters. But there are big differences between his situation and the other sprinters. Sagan doesn't have the practiced lead out train that the others enjoy so he ends up doing a lot more work just to get position, and he does actually do some work on the medium mountain stages while the pure sprinters are doing the absolute minimum to make the time cut. And yes, this year he did have the green jersey all but wrapped up early, so the smart thing to do is simply be in the top five for every possible stage and slowly pad his advantage. Basically one more stage and the green jersey race is mathematically over.

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    Yeah, that was fun.


    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    He shouldn't have to do it on his own.
    He shouldn't, but Sky is getting shredded. Wiggo didn't start, 3 riders crashed out, Thomas has a hairline fracture in his pelvis (damn), Porte was caught out.

    In Froome's defense:
    Splits like this happen very fast. Froome only had a few seconds to react, really.
    He does still have a decent cushion.
    Valverde is done. (Quintana is not.)

    A big boost for Saxo morale, but the question now is whether they went too deep to gain time on Mont Ventoux tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    I think he is as just as fast as the best sprinters....
    I'm not quite convinced -- no contest with Cav today. His big advantage is that he can handle the small climbs better than the top sprinters, plus he does have top-notch handling skills. He can clean up in second-tier races (e.g. California) or when there's an incline near the end.

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