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gpsblake 07-16-13 11:35 PM

A female grand tour???? Would it work???? I would watch it.
 
I mean a real female grand tour, 21 teams of 9 riders, riding over the same mountains..... Could be very marketable I would think.

License2Ill 07-16-13 11:44 PM

Sounds like roller derby to me.

Leinster 07-17-13 12:53 AM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giro_...alia_Femminile

johnny99 07-17-13 12:59 AM

The problem with woman's bike racing has always been money. TV networks won't cover the races because they think they can't sell enough ads to pay for it. Sponsors don't want to pay for it because they think they won't get enough media coverage in return. The Giro Rosa (woman's Giro d'Italia) just happened and do you know who won? From the sketchy reports I read over the internet, it was a spectacular race, but there was no TV coverage in the USA.

License2Ill 07-17-13 01:09 AM

I'm trying to picture the commercials....

"Your a complicated, diverse creature...."

Caretaker 07-17-13 03:19 AM

Not quite a GT but very photogenic judging by the pictures.

http://www.girorosa.it/pagina-principale.html

thenomad 07-17-13 09:12 AM

There has been one and sponsorship was tough and apparently the mens race sees it as competition so business is business and they do their part to crush it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de...e_F%C3%A9minin

DiabloScott 07-17-13 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gpsblake (Post 15859214)
I mean a real female grand tour, 21 teams of 9 riders, riding over the same mountains..... Could be very marketable I would think.

Why do you go straight to GT? There are some pretty good one-day races for women and those don't get any coverage either.

Women's versions of pro events are usually a lot shorter... perhaps due to the natural break on the side of the road issue.

Keith99 07-17-13 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 15860768)
Why do you go straight to GT? There are some pretty good one-day races for women and those don't get any coverage either.

Women's versions of pro events are usually a lot shorter... perhaps due to the natural break on the side of the road issue.

Historically there has also been less depth and balance on the women's side of things. That makes a GT a poor bet. If the contest is over barring a crash by day 10 or 21 it is a bad deal all round.

A women's Paris Roubaix would appeal to both cycling fans and Al Bundy.

DiabloScott 07-17-13 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15860913)
A women's Paris Roubaix would appeal to both cycling fans and Al Bundy.

De Ronde voor Vrouwen is the same day as the men's race and it barely gets a mention.

Leinster 07-17-13 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 15860768)
Why do you go straight to GT? There are some pretty good one-day races for women and those don't get any coverage either.

Women's versions of pro events are usually a lot shorter... perhaps due to the natural break on the side of the road issue.

I would presume it's more due to the aforementioned sponsorship issue. Surely a 21 day race costs more to run than a 15 day race, which costs more to run than a 7 day race and so on.

If you mean the actual race distance, well the men will go on the go when they've got to go. And there is no shorter Ironwoman distance for triathlons.

Zinger 07-17-13 02:51 PM

I would watch it ! I see so many girl cyclists out there now (as compared to before a decade long layoff from cycling) that it's high time the girls competing got more exposure.....Like they used to get in the old Coors Classics.

cafzali 07-17-13 04:38 PM

Consider the fact that the only instances where you have a professional sporting league that comes close to the men's counterpart is when the backer of the men's counterpart endorses it, and you can see why things are the way they are. In other words, when you even lump in a sport like basketball, which in the U.S. gets good viewership numbers, the only way the WNBA works is by having a shorter season during the men's offseason, coupled with the fact that it's underwritten by the NBA.

The WTA tour is the only professional sport that I've ever seen where you'll have women that draw crowds and TV interest that can be comparable to men's. And even then, it's very dependent on who the current crop of stars are at the time. When women's tennis goes through a bit of a drought, their numbers fall off too.

Zinger 07-17-13 06:14 PM

There used to be a women's TDF from the mid 80s and girls like Maria Canins and Jeannie Longo raced in them as well as Coors Classic stage races. I think they'll eventually bring them back and give them more coverage under pressure providing they begin to generate interest enough.

Women want their own race in Tour de France

My favorite back in the Coors Classic days was Sue Novara Reber.

bruin11 07-17-13 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny99 (Post 15859325)
The problem with woman's bike racing has always been money. TV networks won't cover the races because they think they can't sell enough ads to pay for it. Sponsors don't want to pay for it because they think they won't get enough media coverage in return. The Giro Rosa (woman's Giro d'Italia) just happened and do you know who won? From the sketchy reports I read over the internet, it was a spectacular race, but there was no TV coverage in the USA.

Mara Abbott won by time gained on her 2 mountain top finish wins. No coverage but there were videos posted to youtube that I was able to watch

Cat4Lifer 07-17-13 06:46 PM

This female pro wrote a really good piece in Winning magazine some years ago.
She basically said women fans need to start watching (consuming) professional female races if female pro racing is to make it.
Sounds about right to me.

Zinger 07-18-13 01:50 AM

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Here's a little nostalgia from the days when the U.S. led the world in women's stage racing. The fact that the Red Zinger / Coors Classics were the preeminent cycling stage race competition for women was probably, in part, the impetus for the forming of the now defunct Tour Cycliste Feminin or Women's version of the TDF.

And I believe if a women's grand tour ever happens again that it's chances of success would possibly be best if it happened here in the U.S. again.

redfooj 07-18-13 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cafzali (Post 15861738)
Consider the fact that the only instances where you have a professional sporting league that comes close to the men's counterpart is when the backer of the men's counterpart endorses it, and you can see why things are the way they are. In other words, when you even lump in a sport like basketball, which in the U.S. gets good viewership numbers, the only way the WNBA works is by having a shorter season during the men's offseason, coupled with the fact that it's underwritten by the NBA.

The WTA tour is the only professional sport that I've ever seen where you'll have women that draw crowds and TV interest that can be comparable to men's. And even then, it's very dependent on who the current crop of stars are at the time. When women's tennis goes through a bit of a drought, their numbers fall off too.

volleyball too

BigJeff 07-18-13 11:35 AM

Don't segregate by gender, allow women to compete in all categories.

Problem solved.

Race against your category regardless of gender. No handicaps.

StephenH 07-18-13 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJeff (Post 15864146)
Don't segregate by gender, allow women to compete in all categories.

Problem solved.

Race against your category regardless of gender. No handicaps.

Unless women and men compete at very much the same performance levels, that doesn't solve anything other than to eliminate women more so than they are now.

But, there's a couple of issues here.
One is getting the entrants. I am around long-distance races, not regular road races. Yes, there's women involved there. But there are generally a lot fewer women than men. So I can go ride my heart out and come in 9th out of 18 or something, while a lady may wind up being the only competitor in her class. There's not any kind of glass ceiling to keep women out or anything, it's just a matter of being interested enough to want to do it.
The second is getting viewership. There's no rational reason to watch any sport, it's all a matter of what people feel like they want to watch. So you may have a perfectly marvelous athletic competition and nobody cares, and then have some stupid non-event and people watch it. So watching anvils fall on cartoon characters? I'm good for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDznMYgft14 Watch a ballet? Nahhh.

bats 07-18-13 12:05 PM

As a woman, I've often wondered why male cycling fans prefer to watch men in spandex over women. :thumb:

jimblairo 07-18-13 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 15864261)
As a woman, I've often wondered why male cycling fans prefer to watch men in spandex over women. :thumb:

Most of the men have shapelier glutes?

Keith99 07-18-13 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 15864261)
As a woman, I've often wondered why male cycling fans prefer to watch men in spandex over women. :thumb:

It isn't as ego destroying to see a man speed up the climb you nearly died going up to get a spot to view the race.

Honestly that may point out the catch22like problem women's sports face. Viewers want to see the remarkable, the athlete head and shoulders above the best they can imagine their self doing. But if A woman does that it is a blow to the ego for men. Damned if they are good enough, damned if they re not.

Cat4Lifer 07-18-13 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 15864261)
As a woman, I've often wondered why male cycling fans prefer to watch men in spandex over women. :thumb:

They ride a lot faster.

Leinster 07-18-13 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15864461)
It isn't as ego destroying to see a man speed up the climb you nearly died going up to get a spot to view the race.

Honestly that may point out the catch22like problem women's sports face. Viewers want to see the remarkable, the athlete head and shoulders above the best they can imagine their self doing. But if A woman does that it is a blow to the ego for men. Damned if they are good enough, damned if they re not.


Speaking for myself, I don't have that problem at all. But then, I've been getting my ass handed to me by girls in swimming, running and biking since I was very small, so I'm used to it.


I think the catch 22 is more that fans don't watch*, because tv doesn't cover it*, because sponsors don't support it*, because fans don't watch*.


*...as much as the mens.


Put the women on the same roads as the men, an hour (2 hours to be safe? Maybe with a start nearer the finish) ahead of the men, and show some of the womens highlights, including the finish, in the first hour of the 3 hours of men's race coverage, and, personally, I'd watch. The same way people watch women's tennis, and women's Track & Field at the Olympics.


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