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Old 07-23-13, 01:04 PM   #26
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is that he was trying to shake down Lance.
dude most likely asked for a payoff and got a legal battle instead.
As open as just about everyone says Lance was about doping to those around him,
it's a lil difficult to believe that Anderson just happened to accidently find out and then
Lance started treating him like trash. Seems more believable that Anderson, like most everyone
close to Lance, knew all along he was doping and finally decided to blackmail him. And as far as
his motivation to move New Zealand, no one but Anderson knows why he moved there, but I highly
doubt it was because Lance ran him out of the country!Oh my ******* god, people are so ready to
believe any silly sound thing.
If you do not know what you are talking about, then it is best to clam up! Mike Anderson was a personal assistant/gopher for LA, who had promised to finance his opening of a bike shop. Anderson cleaned up EPO and other illegal drugs from LA's apartment in Girona, and while it is true that there ensued a lawsuit of some kind between them, LA lied repeatedly under oath (what else is new) that he never had Anderson clean his quarters in Girona of drugs.

Well, LA used his influence in the whole Austin cycling community to make sure Anderson never got a job (as a mechanic, I might add). He had to move his family to New Zealand to get a job.

If I recall, you were defending LA to high heavens that he never doped. That was until he shut you up by going on Oprah to say all his successes in Le Tour resulted from doping. And do not try to deny it, or else I'll pull up your posts re same.
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Old 07-23-13, 01:42 PM   #27
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is that he was trying to shake down Lance.
dude most likely asked for a payoff and got a legal battle instead.
As open as just about everyone says Lance was about doping to those around him,
it's a lil difficult to believe that Anderson just happened to accidently find out and then
Lance started treating him like trash. Seems more believable that Anderson, like most everyone
close to Lance, knew all along he was doping and finally decided to blackmail him. And as far as
his motivation to move New Zealand, no one but Anderson knows why he moved there, but I highly
doubt it was because Lance ran him out of the country!Oh my ******* god, people are so ready to
believe any silly sound thing.
That's kind of the jest I got out of it just from reading Anderson's account. I didn't assume it in writing but I'm pretty good at reading between the lines. Now did he get stiffed in their business deal ? Dunno. I wasn't there and I'm sure there's plenty that we don't know about it. Maybe Anderson should have pursued a genuine career of some sort for a little more financial security instead of latching onto a sports figure....like he said in so many words.

It gets into tabloid land when you start getting into sports figures personal lives anyway and I don't read tabloid.....Well except for Anderson's little piece.

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Old 07-23-13, 07:50 PM   #28
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Another Lance Armstrong bit*h-fest thread, eh?

Meh, in 10 years (or less who knows), Froome will be filling the disgraced, doped up Tour winner role quite nicely.
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If you do not know what you are talking about, then it is best to clam up!
And yet, you refuse.

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Mike Anderson was a personal assistant/gopher for LA, who had promised to finance his opening of a bike shop. Anderson cleaned up EPO and other illegal drugs from LA's apartment in Girona, and while it is true that there ensued a lawsuit of some kind between them, LA lied repeatedly under oath (what else is new) that he never had Anderson clean his quarters in Girona of drugs.
And you know this to be true because Anderson says so, eh.

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Well, LA used his influence in the whole Austin cycling community to make sure Anderson never got a job (as a mechanic, I might add). He had to move his family to New Zealand to get a job.
Again, you believe it because LAnce a meanie and a liar and Anderson has always told the truth, right?

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If I recall, you were defending LA to high heavens that he never doped.
Did Anderson tell you that one too?

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IThat was until he shut you up by going on Oprah to say all his successes in Le Tour resulted from doping. And do not try to deny it, or else I'll pull up your posts re same.
I am officially denying it, with all my might too.
Now, make good on your oh-so-fearsome threat. lol
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That's kind of the jest I got out of it just from reading Anderson's account. I didn't assume it in writing but I'm pretty good at reading between the lines. Now did he get stiffed in their business deal ? Dunno. I wasn't there and I'm sure there's plenty that we don't know about it. Maybe Anderson should have pursued a genuine career of some sort for a little more financial security instead of latching onto a sports figure....like he said in so many words.

It gets into tabloid land when you start getting into sports figures personal lives anyway and I don't read tabloid.....Well except for Anderson's little piece.
Yeah who knows...
Maybe Lance casually said something like: "Oh sure, one day we'll open a bike shop."
Kinda like I say: I'ma treat everyone to everything if and when I hit the lotto.
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Hey Cat4Lifer, there was an extensive feature in Outside magazine regarding the LA/Anderson affair. If you really want to, you can look for it on the web.
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Hey Jed19, is that the one where Anderson says his version is the truth?
Yeah, I already checked it out, bro.
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Hey Jed19, is that the one where Anderson says his version is the truth?
Yeah, I already checked it out, bro.
Man, you are die-hard LA fan, aren't you?
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Man, you are die-hard LA fan, aren't you?
Oh of course, because I don't have my head up my ass and don't believe Anderson's silly sounding
I-found-out-Lance-was-doping-so-he-ruined-my-life story that Anderson came up with, I must be a Lance fan.
Man, you are a die-hard Anderson fan, aren't you?
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at least lance still has one friend left.
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Maybe Lance was invited and he just had the class to decline.
Maybe he will never be invited because he was stripped of all his wins. Make any sense? Just Sayin....
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Hey Cat4Lifer, there was an extensive feature in Outside magazine regarding the LA/Anderson affair. If you really want to, you can look for it on the web.
Already read it myself.
Already read Tyler Hamilton's book.
Already read Travis Tygart's account.

Verbal agreements for any long term work relationships leave too much room for unrealistic expectations as well as possible exploitation. Verbal agreements are for people working under the table while collecting unemployment. Everyone else should get it in writing.

As far as who had the unrealistic expectations I'd not hazard a guess in this case, lol. If I were a judge in a civil case (God forbid) I'd say it was most likely the guy expecting a bike shop without having to kiss a lot of a** for it.

And if you are working for a stingy and exploitative employer (IF that were the case) it's wise not to invest so much time there that you can't fill in the blank for a job reference.
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Maybe he will never be invited because he was stripped of all his wins. Make any sense? Just Sayin....
Wait. What!?! All of them?
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Really doesnt matter as far as doping goes does it? Eddy may not have went out and hurt people like Wonderboy did, but Merckx/Coppi and Miggy have kinda sorta admitted to(or alluded to the fact) they doped, so why should they get a pass and others dont?. Not in any way a Wonderboy fan, but the blatant hypocrisy doesn't make them look very good, regardless of the SOL. Merckx admitted to doping, or taking banned substances(or at least that's the word on the street), so why the special treatment? OP has a point.
the same reason why people dislike Barry Bonds more than an Andy Pettite or David Justice - hes a bigger, more popular, more recent *******
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Maybe he will never be invited because he was stripped of all his wins. Make any sense? Just Sayin....
Winner, winner chicken dinner!

LA is not (officially) a TdF winner. Merckx, Indurain and the others are. He (LA) has, I believe, 2 stage wins in the books from before 1999. That puts him in a relatively small, but growing, group of US riders but is nowhere near enough to get him invited to a last stage ceremony/presentation.

Combine that with the fact that LA never got along with the TdF sponsors (and they gladly reciprocated the animosity) even when the subject wasn't doping and I do think it'll be a long time until we see LA as a guest at the TdF. He may stand in the crowd on the Ventoux but I kind of doubt that too.

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He may stand in the crowd on the Ventoux but I kind of doubt that too.
I doubt his ego would allow that to happen.
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Wait. What!?! All of them?
Just the ones in which he was doping.
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Just the ones in which he was doping.
You may want to review the context of my first post:

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There's more news about Lance today. Lance claims the USPS team knew about the doping allegations in 2000 but chose to renew his contract anyways. It's part of the civil suit the government has filed against Armstrong.

http://www.cbssports.com/general/blo...-bargained-for
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What bugs me about the doping 'scandal', is that the riders are going down for the doping, but they had to have had a lot of help. Even if you get the EPO and/or T Cyp. yourself, you'd have to have someone monitoring your Hgb and Hct to keep it from going to high. Hgb and Hct go over 20/60, you'll be very short of breath just walking around---so who was monitoring guys like L.A.? And based on that monitoring, who was helping them adjust their doses? No, there's plenty of blame to go around, it's just one of those 'here, but don't get caught and if you do get caught we don't know you' sort of thing.
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I gathered from Tyler's book that he had his own blood spinner.
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There's more news about Lance today. Lance claims the USPS team knew about the doping allegations in 2000 but chose to renew his contract anyways. It's part of the civil suit the government has filed against Armstrong.

http://www.cbssports.com/general/blo...-bargained-for
Ahh, the Otter defense: You effed up, you trusted us.
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What bugs me about the doping 'scandal', is that the riders are going down for the doping, but they had to have had a lot of help. Even if you get the EPO and/or T Cyp. yourself, you'd have to have someone monitoring your Hgb and Hct to keep it from going to high. Hgb and Hct go over 20/60, you'll be very short of breath just walking around---so who was monitoring guys like L.A.? And based on that monitoring, who was helping them adjust their doses? No, there's plenty of blame to go around, it's just one of those 'here, but don't get caught and if you do get caught we don't know you' sort of thing.
Michele Ferrari was Lance's doping doctor. Lance has not given him up yet, but he was the man!
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Michele Ferrari was Lance's doping doctor. Lance has not given him up yet, but he was the man!
Yeah, he gets off scot free, still has a medical license and a way to make a living.
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