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Old 07-21-13, 07:53 PM   #1
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Lance got left out of the ceremonies.....

gotta hurt the Ego a bit.
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He's persona non grata now but time will heal all wounds. Isn't he riding across Iowa with the Mellow Johnny guys?
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And Greg Lemond's currency has gone up.
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He's persona non grata now but time will heal all wounds. Isn't he riding across Iowa with the Mellow Johnny guys?
Yeah, last I heard he is riding Ragbrai.
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Amazing to see them honor a doper who was caught multiple times (Merckx), while giving Lance the complete silent treatment. Kind of sad really.
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Amazing to see them honor a doper who was caught multiple times (Merckx), while giving Lance the complete silent treatment. Kind of sad really.
Well, for starters, Merckx did not try to destroy people. With LA, it was just not the doping (which almost everybody who was somebody in the peloton was doing/did), it was the sociopathy. Look up the word sociopath and compare the meaning to what LA did to numerous people he knew were being truthful about his doping. Then get back to me!

He raised the stakes enormously with his ruthlessness!
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He raised the stakes enormously with his ruthlessness!
Way overplayed. A 160 lb Anglo bully doesn't get by with much without support from the peloton. And I like Lemond but the cancellation of his line of bikes by Trek wasn't anything unexpected after Lemond outs their sponsored team. LA's not getting invited to the TDF isn't unexpected either. I certainly wasn't surprised when he finally got caught.

All we have here is someone who reacts like guilty dopers usually do when someone goes public with accusations....They sue like Pacquiao sues Mayweather. We don't have the antichrist here and if you want to blame someone for the atmosphere of doping blame the then-compliant UCI for running a doping control program more for appearances than any kind of substantive controls at that time.
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Well, for starters, Merckx did not try to destroy people. With LA, it was just not the doping (which almost everybody who was somebody in the peloton was doing/did), it was the sociopathy. Look up the word sociopath and compare the meaning to what LA did to numerous people he knew were being truthful about his doping. Then get back to me!

He raised the stakes enormously with his ruthlessness!
Really doesnt matter as far as doping goes does it? Eddy may not have went out and hurt people like Wonderboy did, but Merckx/Coppi and Miggy have kinda sorta admitted to(or alluded to the fact) they doped, so why should they get a pass and others dont?. Not in any way a Wonderboy fan, but the blatant hypocrisy doesn't make them look very good, regardless of the SOL. Merckx admitted to doping, or taking banned substances(or at least that's the word on the street), so why the special treatment? OP has a point.
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Way overplayed. A 160 lb Anglo bully doesn't get by with much without support from the peloton. And I like Lemond but the cancellation of his line of bikes by Trek wasn't anything unexpected after Lemond outs their sponsored team. LA's not getting invited to the TDF isn't unexpected either. I certainly wasn't surprised when he finally got caught.

All we have here is someone who reacts like guilty dopers usually do when someone goes public with accusations....They sue like Pacquiao sues Mayweather. We don't have the antichrist here and if you want to blame someone for the atmosphere of doping blame the then-compliant UCI for running a doping control program more for appearances than any kind of substantive controls at that time.
Blame ALL involved. Trek discontinuing LeMonds bike line makes them look even more foolish now. I don't know why you brought that up, since it really had nothing to do with the topic, but Trek's blatant douchiness towards LeMond, is a major reason why i don't give Trek my $$$, nor will I. Personal choice.

As for the TDF and Wonderboy not being there, why hasn't Pat Mc****** been banned or asked not to return? he's just as guilty as anyone in letting the Wonderboy myth continue on for as long as it had. No mention of Pats ouster @ UCI proves that the UCI is a complete joke.
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Way overplayed. A 160 lb Anglo bully doesn't get by with much without support from the peloton. And I like Lemond but the cancellation of his line of bikes by Trek wasn't anything unexpected after Lemond outs their sponsored team. LA's not getting invited to the TDF isn't unexpected either. I certainly wasn't surprised when he finally got caught.

All we have here is someone who reacts like guilty dopers usually do when someone goes public with accusations....They sue like Pacquiao sues Mayweather. We don't have the antichrist here and if you want to blame someone for the atmosphere of doping blame the then-compliant UCI for running a doping control program more for appearances than any kind of substantive controls at that time.
Yup, pretty much.
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It's way to soon for Lance to be back at that podium, but give it time and the world will start feeling sorry for the over-the-top shabby treatment he is getting.

He fell on his sword, he apologized on Queen Oprah's show, and America and cycling fans will one day forgive him. He can rebuild his image and I believe he will. It will take time, but I believe he will be back at the Tour someday...
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To have a disgraced rider like Dopestrong show up so soon at the Tour would surely tarnish the Tour's image of cleaning up. Not happening now or soon, and perhaps never.
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To have a disgraced rider like Dopestrong show up so soon at the Tour would surely tarnish the Tour's image of cleaning up. Not happening now or soon, and perhaps never.
My wife was glad for Contador (who she is a fan of) that he wasn't on the podium after all when Froome dropped his 'test of time' line.
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Blame ALL involved. Trek discontinuing LeMonds bike line makes them look even more foolish now. I don't know why you brought that up, since it really had nothing to do with the topic, but Trek's blatant douchiness towards LeMond, is a major reason why i don't give Trek my $$$, nor will I. Personal choice.

As for the TDF and Wonderboy not being there, why hasn't Pat Mc****** been banned or asked not to return? he's just as guilty as anyone in letting the Wonderboy myth continue on for as long as it had. No mention of Pats ouster @ UCI proves that the UCI is a complete joke.
A little while back Phil Ligstrong was saying how Pat M. Was just the guy to get the Uci back on track.

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He is still laughing all the way to his Swiss bank . . .
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Way overplayed. A 160 lb Anglo bully doesn't get by with much without support from the peloton. And I like Lemond but the cancellation of his line of bikes by Trek wasn't anything unexpected after Lemond outs their sponsored team. LA's not getting invited to the TDF isn't unexpected either. I certainly wasn't surprised when he finally got caught.

All we have here is someone who reacts like guilty dopers usually do when someone goes public with accusations....They sue like Pacquiao sues Mayweather. We don't have the antichrist here and if you want to blame someone for the atmosphere of doping blame the then-compliant UCI for running a doping control program more for appearances than any kind of substantive controls at that time.
Way overplayed? Look up Mark Anderson. He had to go all the way to New Zealand to get a job, after LA had destroyed his reputation in the cycling industry (he was just a lowly mechanic who had told the truth about LA's doping). He called Emma O'Reilly an alcoholic, and also insinuated that she slept around.

Look, no matter how you dice it, LA is a major dou*** b**, and I think he gives sociopaths a bad name by being associated with that disorder. He has major character flaws that a civil society should not tolerate in heros or anybody else for that matter.

I do not hate the man, but I'll be darned if I am gonna read here about how he got a bad rap, and should have been invited to the 100th year celebration of Le Tour. I, for one, won't bat an eyelid if I never hear the name Lance Armstrong again.

It is one thing to dope, what is scandalous was the way he went after truthtellers with gusto. Lawyers, PR flacks, private investigators, you name it. Nothing was spared by LA in trying to destroy those people.
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Another Lance Armstrong bit*h-fest thread, eh?

Meh, in 10 years (or less who knows), Froome will be filling the disgraced, doped up Tour winner role quite nicely.
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Way overplayed? Look up Mark Anderson. He had to go all the way to New Zealand to get a job, after LA had destroyed his reputation in the cycling industry (he was just a lowly mechanic who had told the truth about LA's doping). He called Emma O'Reilly an alcoholic, and also insinuated that she slept around.

Look, no matter how you dice it, LA is a major dou*** b**, and I think he gives sociopaths a bad name by being associated with that disorder. He has major character flaws that a civil society should not tolerate in heros or anybody else for that matter.

I do not hate the man, but I'll be darned if I am gonna read here about how he got a bad rap, and should have been invited to the 100th year celebration of Le Tour. I, for one, won't bat an eyelid if I never hear the name Lance Armstrong again.

It is one thing to dope, what is scandalous was the way he went after truthtellers with gusto. Lawyers, PR flacks, private investigators, you name it. Nothing was spared by LA in trying to destroy those people.
The differences with Mike Anderson didn't appear to me to be initially related to the doping from what little I've read. I'm not that much of a fan of Armstrong nor will defend his doping but I've been around too many a******s to figure him as the worst.....certainly not the worst sports figure. Like Ullrich said in so many words: His ambition made enemies. I don't look at competitive sports figures through rose colored glasses or care much what they do much outside the sport.....usually. That's probably why I'm not disappointed when they turn out to be human.

When anybody has reputation and lots of money to lose at stake you'd better be aware of the consequences when you take it upon yourself to out them for cheating for it. Perhaps noble but naive if you expect them to give that up without a fight.....Like someone without money might expect.

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The differences with Mike Anderson..
is that he was trying to shake down Lance.
dude most likely asked for a payoff and got a legal battle instead.
As open as just about everyone says Lance was about doping to those around him,
it's a lil difficult to believe that Anderson just happened to accidently find out and then
Lance started treating him like trash. Seems more believable that Anderson, like most everyone
close to Lance, knew all along he was doping and finally decided to blackmail him. And as far as
his motivation to move New Zealand, no one but Anderson knows why he moved there, but I highly
doubt it was because Lance ran him out of the country!Oh my ******* god, people are so ready to
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It's way to soon for Lance to be back at that podium, but give it time and the world will start feeling sorry for the over-the-top shabby treatment he is getting.

He fell on his sword, he apologized on Queen Oprah's show, and America and cycling fans will one day forgive him. He can rebuild his image and I believe he will. It will take time, but I believe he will be back at the Tour someday...
I understand why LA was not invited, but why was the new 7 time TDF winner not invited. Some guy named VACATED (can't remember his first name). That's the biggest joke, if you can't come up with a decent runner up as the winner, just put an asterisk that he admitted to doping and was the best doper.
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Maybe Lance was invited and he just had the class to decline.









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My feelings about Lance... Was he the best cyclist in the Tour De France considering everything going on? Yea, he was and he is correct about saying that if he didn't dope, he wouldn't win...

However, Lance destroyed many careers through his denial, massive PR campaign, and lawyers and I guess when you weigh them all up, it was best he wasn't there. Also Lance would have overshadowed the entire ceremony.

Now here's a question... If Lance did the same doping tactics today that he did when winning the Tour, would they catch him today? If no, then we probably still have a problem. If yes, then perhaps cycling is finally getting clean.
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Well, for starters, Merckx did not try to destroy people. With LA, it was just not the doping (which almost everybody who was somebody in the peloton was doing/did), it was the sociopathy. Look up the word sociopath and compare the meaning to what LA did to numerous people he knew were being truthful about his doping. Then get back to me!

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...Oh my ******* god, people are so ready to
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