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    Wiggins and Nibali

    Two of the best, Sir Bradley the winner of the 2012 Tour de France, Nibali the winner of the 2013 Giro d'Italia. So why did Wiggins just finish 48th in the Tour of Poland, 54:05 behind the winner, and Nibali 53rd, 1:02:54 behind the winner? Were they just treating it is a training ride or did they have issues? At least Wiggins won the final time trial, so he must be healthy.

    Results: http://tdp.infocity.pl/en/etap7/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Brown View Post
    Two of the best, Sir Bradley the winner of the 2012 Tour de France, Nibali the winner of the 2013 Giro d'Italia. So why did Wiggins just finish 48th in the Tour of Poland, 54:05 behind the winner, and Nibali 53rd, 1:02:54 behind the winner? Were they just treating it is a training ride or did they have issues? At least Wiggins won the final time trial, so he must be healthy.

    Results: http://tdp.infocity.pl/en/etap7/
    Wiggins sure had a bad time in Poland until today. Stomach ? Sinuses ? Maybe saving it for the TT but he sure didn't look good in the 1st couple stages.
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    Possibly getting in form for the Vuelta. No one can lay it on the line in every race these day's.

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    I believe Wiggins stated goal for the rest of this season is the World TT championship. To that end his results make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    I believe Wiggins stated goal for the rest of this season is the World TT championship. To that end his results make sense.
    This.

    Nibali took time off after the Giro win and there were a lot of post race team/sponsor obligations. Remember he started racing very early this season and also won Tirreno-Adriatico and Trentino. His stated goal for the later half of the season is the Worlds in Italy. He says if his form is good he will go for the overall at the Vuelta, if not he will go for stage wins and use it to build up to the Worlds.

    He is racing this week in Spain at the Vuelta e Burgos.

    Seems like the Giro took it's toll this year with the bad weather. Nibali probably needed time off, see where Cadel Evans was in the Tour?

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    First, I like to believe and hope that some of these performance drops are partially the result of much cleaner racing and therefor the need to carefully "household" form levels over the season. At least among high profile riders who stand to be scrutinized more than the domestiques (at least by the media) even though this distinction seems to be gradually disappearing since the overall quality of the peloton is much tighter now than let's say 20 or 30 yrs ago.
    Also, it's not inconceivable that some of cyclings socio-economic paradox still survives today, meaning that while cycling was among Europes most popular sports with tremendous followings, even media exposure, The sport has had a history of a vast payscale disparity between a small handful of top athletes versus the common domestiques. I have it on good authority that way back, winners race purses were divided among the team members because the nameless ones didn't have the personal endorsment deals but mostly their meager team pay. Granted, money is much better now and this aspect is also diminishing. Not too many now who maybe a Newspaper hero for a day but remain grocerystore paupers after its all said and done.
    This leaves one speculation that an "understanding" within the peloton may still prevail: over-simplified, the big names keep out serious contention at the lesser events to "let others win", not only for price money alone but to keep local sponsors, advertisers, tv networks etal happy by "making" the race more interesting and thereby ensuring that spectators have their local contenders to cheer for which keeps attendance up and local/international sponsors/advertisers happy because they retain an audience to pitch their products to with the prospect that the crowds will come back next year to watch the race . If the same big names and teams win everything in sight, it will get boring and nobody will come at raceday to buy hotdogs, beer and team jerseys, much less bikes... it's a business afterall

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    Nibali finishes 3rd at Burgos, seems to be rounding into form for the Vuelta.

    Basso looks decent too.

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    Saw this article.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/23663568

    Wiggins has put on weight on purpose for the World's time trial, sounds like he is 14 pounds heavier right now and expects to be 7-8 pounds heavier at the World's as compared to the Tour last year.

    It is of course affecting his climbing but he believes he was too light to be his best at time trialing.

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    Wiggins was a one hit wonder. He had a great 2012 yr but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the last we see of him dominating, unless it's a TT.
    "whenever I see someone biking faster than me, I assume they aren't going as far"-proscloset

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhinelander View Post
    First, I like to believe and hope that some of these performance drops are partially the result of much cleaner racing....
    There's no evidence that Wiggins or Nibali were doping. Don't accuse without evidence.

    Doping also doesn't gain you a full hour in a seven-day stage race, or change you from #53 to #1 .

    The reality is that Wiggins has been out most of the season due to knee problems; this is his first race since the Giro, and (as noted above) he's prepping for the World's. And Nibali has been focusing on the Vuelta literally since the day he won the Giro (http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...-worlds_289163).


    This leaves one speculation that an "understanding" within the peloton may still prevail: over-simplified, the big names keep out serious contention at the lesser events to "let others win"....
    Or not

    We're now in the era where the big riders want to win the big events. If that means winning in smaller events, they'll win in the smaller events. If it means putting in less effort in smaller races, they'll put in less effort.

    Sponsors don't want unknown riders to win. They want the marquee riders to win the marquee events.


    If the same big names and teams win everything in sight, it will get boring and nobody will come at raceday to buy hotdogs, beer and team jerseys, much less bikes... it's a business afterall
    Sky used the most boring tactics possible in last year's Tour de France, and yet viewership this year was very strong.

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    They were there for training and because their sponsors wanted them there. Another example will be Chris Froome next week who has zero chance of winning the USA pro cycling challenge nor will he try to win. Not because Froome can't win, but because he's just going to be in a supporting role for his teammates and most important, his sponsors want him there.

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    I think Richie Porte can manage to get Froome another title, given how average the competition is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechemist View Post
    Wiggins was a one hit wonder. He had a great 2012 yr but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the last we see of him dominating, unless it's a TT.
    Let's see: 7 Olympic medals inc. 4 golds, 2 silver and 1 bronze. Track champs: 6 gold 4 silver and 1 bronze.

    8 stage races, inc. Paris-Nice, Romandie, Dauphine (x2), Criteriium international

    We should all be such one-hit wonders

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