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thechemist 09-08-13 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 16045119)
Suppose Horner finishes on the podium, 2nd or 3rd? What are his chances of getting a contract for 2014?

Do you suppose Trek might be thinking they already have one >40 rider (Jens).

I bet a lot of other teams are interested. I know Horner wants Trek but I see him elsewhere.

MinnMan 09-09-13 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 16044591)
Who's the best suited to make it to the top of the Angliru (Stage 20) first? Nibali, Valverde, Rodriguez or Horner?

From what I saw in last year's Vuelta, Rodriguez is the best on the really steep hills. If he's within striking distance that late in the game and somehow reproduces the form that he had last year, he maybe has a chance of opening up a couple of minute gap on that final climb.

xfimpg 09-09-13 08:36 AM

"Is Rigoberto Uran rocking a mullet??"

LOL good one.

MinnMan 09-09-13 09:54 AM

Hey, Nibali looked somewhat vulnerable there. This could be an exciting week.

Caretaker 09-09-13 09:55 AM

Signs of weakness from Nibali today (Monday). Horner must be thinking "I can win this Vuelta".

Great sprint win for the promising new French talent Warren Buirget (not sure that spelling is right). A second stage won in style on the line against Oran.

canam73 09-09-13 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 16045119)
Suppose Horner finishes on the podium, 2nd or 3rd? What are his chances of getting a contract for 2014?

Do you suppose Trek might be thinking they already have one >40 rider (Jens).

Maybe the grand tours should add a "Golden Jersey" for the the highest placed rider over 40.

Caretaker 09-09-13 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by canam73 (Post 16047197)
Maybe the grand tours should add a "Golden Jersey" for the the highest placed rider over 40.

If Horner keeps going like he did today he won't need some old folk patronising, he'll be in 'red' next Sunday.

DXchulo 09-09-13 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canam73 (Post 16047197)
Maybe the grand tours should add a "Golden Jersey" for the the highest placed rider over 40.

I think Jens suggested a grey jersey a while back.

EDIT: Found it. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/100320...king-tour.html

dahoss2002 09-10-13 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 16045119)
Suppose Horner finishes on the podium, 2nd or 3rd? What are his chances of getting a contract for 2014?

Do you suppose Trek might be thinking they already have one >40 rider (Jens).

If Horner finishes on podium, Trek might be looking for more>40 riders:)http://youtu.be/KNmULx6sMo4

ultraman6970 09-10-13 12:37 PM

If Horner wins, it might be time for trek to figure it out that they need to ditch the schlep brothers and get Horner in.

Horner will win a race, the other ones got one thanks to paperwork.

Horner needs to shave 10 secs every day and ready to go. Purito is dead, too much time for his form, valverde still can do something IMO.

Caretaker 09-11-13 10:19 AM

I didn't expect today to be important for GC but the long run in to the final short climb and the cross winds caused a break and both Pozzavivo and Pinot lost about a minute and half with Roche moving up to fifth.

Nice opportunistic win for Mollema.

Three big climbing days coming up where Horner can attack if he's still got the legs. Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

MinnMan 09-11-13 02:42 PM

I still have my hopes that Purito will at least podium, and I'm beginning to think that Horner can actually win. I'm not really used to thinking of Horner as being in the same class as Nibali, Valverde, and Rodriguez, but he sure has seemed strong these last couple of weeks.

MinnMan 09-11-13 02:45 PM

It was nice to see Tyler Farrar up near the front of the bunch sprint today, though he just missed getting on the podium. I had more or less forgotten that he was in the race at all.

GrayJay 09-11-13 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16055616)
It was nice to see Tyler Farrar up near the front of the bunch sprint today, though he just missed getting on the podium. I had more or less forgotten that he was in the race at all.

Tyler had a couple of other near-podium sprint finishes the first week.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/...rragona_301700

With the Garmin vuelta team down to 5 remaining non-gc competitive riders and in dead last place on the team GC, seems that the team strategy at this point is to endure the remaining mountain stages in hopes that Tyler is the sole surviving sprinter in the peloton when they do the final flat finish stage in madrid on Sunday.

ahsposo 09-11-13 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Caretaker (Post 16047230)
If Horner keeps going like he did today he won't need some old folk patronising, he'll be in 'red' next Sunday.

Please please, Please!

Caretaker 09-12-13 04:42 AM

With Fabian Cancellara withdrawing today (Thursday) to prepare for the Worlds I hope it doesn't affect Horner's chances. If he loses out by only a handful of seconds I'm sure it will become a debating point.

PRus 09-12-13 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Caretaker (Post 16057296)
With Fabian Cancellara withdrawing today (Thursday) to prepare for the Worlds I hope it doesn't affect Horner's chances. If he loses out by only a handful of seconds I'm sure it will become a debating point.

The chance of a Team Trek jersey with rainbow stripes is more valuable than the red "La Vuelta" jersey.

jyl 09-12-13 09:39 AM

Damn, that was an exciting finish. Horner is just 3 seconds back now. Nibali didn't lose hardly any time to Valverde and Rodrigeuz too.

Caretaker 09-12-13 09:54 AM

Horner must be favourite to win after today. Over the last two mountain stages he's taken what? 50 seconds(?) off Nibali. Two more to go. Expect Nibali to put up a fight. Exciting!!!

Roche's top five looking more secure after today also.

Great stage win for Sky's iron man Kiryienka.

Edit: It's 47 secs. Horner has made up on Nibali over stages 16 & 18.

TallRider 09-12-13 10:22 AM

I agree, Horner is the clear favorite to win La Vuelta now. Apart from a crash, I'd give him a 70% chance of overall victory with 2 more mountaintop finishes.
At the moment, that 6-second gap judged by officials early in race looms large, but I don't think it will matter by Sunday.

Horner has remained close enough to the lead that he hasn't had to go for any risky long-range attacks. And anyway, that would play into Nibali's hands because Nibali is the best descender among the GC guys. Horner only needs to attack on the final climb each day.

I've always liked Horner because he seems to ride with joy, more than just the angry aggression of athletes like Lance or Kobe.
Great to see him riding so well. Obviously he's old, but he's been one of the best climbers in pro cycling in recent years, and has been dogged by bad luck with crashes out of big races.

At the moment he's much more fresh than guys who have competed through most of the season. In that sense, Horner's knee injury early this year may be a blessing in disguise. Nibali banstormed the Giro, while Rodriguez and Valverde pushed themselves hard even more recently in Le Tour. Being rested is probably even more important for Horner given his age.

MinnMan 09-12-13 11:43 AM

wow, Horner looked strong on that climb.

(damn, I hope he is clean)

TallRider 09-12-13 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16058469)
wow, Horner looked strong on that climb.
(damn, I hope he is clean)

Agreed. It's obviously more striking because of his age. The three things I fall back on, as reasons why it is plausible that he's clean:
a) he always seems like he has nothing to hide. Open personality, great interviews, smiles a lot.
b) he dominated the U.S. circuit for years, sometimes lapping the field in crits, and may have avoided Europe because he didn't want to play the doping game
c) as a result of his knee surgery early in the season, he structured his training around the Vuelta and comes in with the freshest legs of anyone

dstrong 09-12-13 02:00 PM

My favorite, although saddest Horner quote: "Did I finish?"

MinnMan 09-12-13 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TallRider (Post 16058895)
Agreed. It's obviously more striking because of his age. The three things I fall back on, as reasons why it is plausible that he's clean:
a) he always seems like he has nothing to hide. Open personality, great interviews, smiles a lot.
b) he dominated the U.S. circuit for years, sometimes lapping the field in crits, and may have avoided Europe because he didn't want to play the doping game
c) as a result of his knee surgery early in the season, he structured his training around the Vuelta and comes in with the freshest legs of anyone

Interesting blog post and discussion

http://inrng.com/2013/09/vuelta-chri...rformance-age/

MinnMan 09-12-13 03:19 PM

(You know, it's funny to me that there seem to be only a handful of us on BF following the Vuelta closely. Or at least following it enough to post and discuss. Sure, I know it's not the TdF, but I find the Vuelta much more interesting to follow. In the Tour, you know that the peloton is going to rule and that the breakaway will almost never succeed, but in the Vuelta, the breakaway sometimes survives. And the Vuelta has more exciting hilltop finishes. To me, this beats watching the coronation of Froome or Wiggins in the Tour- though I admit that watching Froome is pretty exciting.)


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