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Creakyknees 09-18-13 10:00 PM

World Championships - Road - 2013
 
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xfimpg 09-29-13 11:33 AM

Is it me or did Rodriguez get shafted by Valverde?
Not to point any fingers, but Valverde sat in the back and let Rodriguez burn himself out.

ijsbrand 09-29-13 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 16114847)
Is it me or did Rodriguez get shafted by Valverde?
Not to point any fingers, but Valverde sat in the back and let Rodriguez burn himself out.

Valverde and Rui Costa are team mates. Cycling is a professional sport.

cthenn 09-29-13 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 16114847)
Is it me or did Rodriguez get shafted by Valverde?
Not to point any fingers, but Valverde sat in the back and let Rodriguez burn himself out.

Classic case of too many chiefs, not enough indians. All of them have selfish goals of winning, and so thus, none of them win. Felt so bad for Purito, he's one of my favorite riders. But honestly, he lost it on the 16% section, Nibali closed it down on that pitch, when he should have opened it up more. Obviously he would have if he had the legs, but apart from typical poor Spanish tactics, that's where it was lost.

Makes you wonder if Valverde was playing for his country or his pro teammates.

cthenn 09-29-13 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ijsbrand (Post 16114887)
Valverde and Rui Costa are team mates. Cycling is a professional sport.

Beat me to it :)

Leinster 09-29-13 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 16114847)
Is it me or did Rodriguez get shafted by Valverde?
Not to point any fingers, but Valverde sat in the back and let Rodriguez burn himself out.

If you're in Valverde's shoes, you're in a break of 4 in the Worlds with a pro teammate and a country teammate, to come away from that with only the bronze medal yourself, I'd say he feels a bit let down himself. Rui Costa looked like he was barely hanging on for most of the time, when he made the move to follow Purito I'd say the last thing Valverde expected was for him to make it across.

jyl 09-29-13 01:05 PM

Interesting - all the talk of needing to eliminate as many challengers as possible, but a peleton of 30 to 40 starts the last lap anyway. Then a few riders break away on the last climb. Makes sense that climbers like Purito, Nibali, Valverde would be there, but I expected a couple of the classics guys to be there as well. I'm happy to see Costa win it, I'd have been pleased with any of the last four. Nibali has so much heart, coming back after the crash, what a fighter.

Caretaker 09-29-13 03:30 PM

Pity about the rain, it spoiled the race as a contest. They all had to ride the same conditions but when staying upright is the main challenge it's not a true test of riding ability.

MinnMan 09-29-13 03:49 PM

I feel bad for Purito. He's raced his heart out the last few years, with good results but never quite winning the big prizes.

It's also interesting to me that 3 out of the top 4 raced in the Vuelta. I think overall they were in better shape than those who rested.

And like somebody else said, it was a little surprising that the contenders in the end were GC riders, not Classics specialists. After all, the course wasn't too mountainous. I guess it was a long hard day and stamina trumped speed.

Creakyknees 09-29-13 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Caretaker (Post 16115293)
Pity about the rain, it spoiled the race as a contest. They all had to ride the same conditions but when staying upright is the main challenge it's not a true test of riding ability.

Weather is part of the sport. The finishers did seven and a half hours up and down that climb and those 2 little walls. It would be a tough race even if perfect conditions prevailed.

+1 where was Fabian? He seemed highly motivated, he's not scared of technical courses either. Same with Gilbert and Sagan. Nibali should get a medal just for coming back from that crash.

And team GB??? Didn't those guys grow up racing in the rain?

Jed19 09-29-13 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16115343)
I feel bad for Purito. He's raced his heart out the last few years, with good results but never quite winning the big prizes.

It's also interesting to me that 3 out of the top 4 raced in the Vuelta. I think overall they were in better shape than those who rested.

And like somebody else said, it was a little surprising that the contenders in the end were GC riders, not Classics specialists. After all, the course wasn't too mountainous. I guess it was a long hard day and stamina trumped speed.

Usually, when the weather is as lousy as it was, then speed gets neutralized. You can't really go as fast as you can in wet pouring rain.

Creakyknees 09-29-13 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16115343)
Purito. never quite winning the big prizes.

um... Giro di Lombarda? It's a Monument. World Cup winner last year too. And maybe again this year.

MinnMan 09-29-13 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Creakyknees (Post 16115523)
um... Giro di Lombarda? It's a Monument. World Cup winner last year too. And maybe again this year.

Yeah, he's had some pretty good victories, but he came in 2nd in the Giro 2012, and looked like he was going to win the Vuelta that year too before Contador surged. So I'd say he's one of the greatest GC cyclists riding right now who hasn't won a grand tour. And now to come this close to winning gold at the World Championship- I think it's too bad.

I don't really pay that much attention to the world cup. Is that the same as the UCI world rankings? I guess he's won it twice - in 2010 and 2012, which is pretty impressive, but again, neither made much of an impression on me when they happened - maybe that's just me, paying attention to races, but not really reading to much race journalism.

MinnMan 09-29-13 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Creakyknees (Post 16115517)
And team GB??? Didn't those guys grow up racing in the rain?

Not a single one of them finished. Not one.

xfimpg 09-29-13 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ijsbrand (Post 16114887)
Valverde and Rui Costa are team mates. Cycling is a professional sport.

Makes business sense.
If that is the case where a rider rides with his wallet and not his country, which really takes away from a race of this type, they should remove road racing from the Olympics.

pigah 09-29-13 07:00 PM

Rui Costa signed with Lampre, so I don't think Valverde would have been riding for him.

Bjarne Amager 09-29-13 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16115707)
Not a single one of them finished. Not one.

Kind of strange they were that weak...They were in front of the peloton chasing the break but as soon as they hit first hill on the first lap they were gone!.Cavendish can hold his head high though...He did a lot of Work.

Rodriguez and Valverde areŽnt exactly pals...It almost looked like they were riding against each other.

TommyBing 09-30-13 12:31 AM

It's tough when the morale is so low. Sky Cycling might get turned inside-out now.

Rui Costa was THE MAN today. When he caught Rodriguez and he just nodded him up several times like, "Go on, let's finish, I'm stronger, I'm just gonna pass you, let's go." Great legs on that dude, wowza.

ijsbrand 09-30-13 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xfimpg (Post 16115734)
Makes business sense.
If that is the case where a rider rides with his wallet and not his country, which really takes away from a race of this type, they should remove road racing from the Olympics.

Why? Because you have an impossible to maintain ideal of fair play?

Professional cycling is the most interesting sport there is because cyclists are individuals who always need their team to perform. And the World Championship may be the most interesting tactical race of the year because of the dual loyalty suddenly demanded of the riders. Because, why should the riders really be supposed to pledge allegiance to their flags and their flags only?

Valverde hates Rodriguez' guts and vice versa. Anyone who watched this year's Vuelta has seen the two rode against each other more than any other opponent. So a 41 year old American could win.

And Valverde and Rui Costa are not only team mates, Valverde owed him big time, because he destroyed his team mates chances in the Tour de France GC the moment when he demanded that Rui Costa waited as well in the echelon stage -- so they both lost minutes that day.

sprince 09-30-13 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjarne Amager (Post 16115983)
Rodriguez and Valverde areŽnt exactly pals...It almost looked like they were riding against each other.

Not sure what else Valverde could have done. Don't see how it would have helped Rodriguez if Valverde had towed Nibali across the gap and I really doubt he had the legs to do anything but hang on anyway. Costa was just the perfect spoiler for any plans the other three may have had.

xfimpg 09-30-13 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ijsbrand (Post 16116577)
Because, why should the riders really be supposed to pledge allegiance to their flags and their flags only?

You made my point. If the race is based on riding for your country, and in a team format, but you don't, what's the point of the race? "Well I got married, but hey I also have a girlfriend". Nice.

MinnMan 09-30-13 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sprince (Post 16116655)
Not sure what else Valverde could have done. Don't see how it would have helped Rodriguez if Valverde had towed Nibali across the gap and I really doubt he had the legs to do anything but hang on anyway. Costa was just the perfect spoiler for any plans the other three may have had.

I've heard it said that Valverde didn't want to bring Nibali across the gap, because Nibali is a better sprinter, but in the end Valverde outsprinted Nibali, so maybe Valverde should have gone with Costa in the first place....

But I agree that I'm not sure how Valverde could have helped Rodriguez. What if he had stuck on Costa's wheel? Costa would still have arrived behind Rodriguez in more or less the same situation, having the advantage in a sprint. What was Valverde supposed to do, power past Costa doing a leadout for Rodriguez?

But I am disappointed with the results overall. Costa wasn't out in front in any other part of the race. Kudos to his strategy, I suppose, but I would rather have seen any of the other 3 take the win.

xfimpg 09-30-13 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16117228)
I've heard it said that Valverde didn't want to bring Nibali across the gap, because Nibali is a better sprinter, but in the end Valverde outsprinted Nibali, so maybe Valverde should have gone with Costa in the first place....

But I agree that I'm not sure how Valverde could have helped Rodriguez. What if he had stuck on Costa's wheel? Costa would still have arrived behind Rodriguez in more or less the same situation, having the advantage in a sprint. What was Valverde supposed to do, power past Costa doing a leadout for Rodriguez?

But I am disappointed with the results overall. Costa wasn't out in front in any other part of the race. Kudos to his strategy, I suppose, but I would rather have seen any of the other 3 take the win.

+1

Gerryattrick 09-30-13 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Creakyknees (Post 16115517)
Weather is part of the sport.

And team GB??? Didn't those guys grow up racing in the rain?

+1

Not sure that all the team really rode for each other or the country on this occasion. I didn't watch all of the race but in the papers today it was said that Wiggins never once took a turn at the front of his team.

jyl 09-30-13 05:00 PM

For team GB, my guess about the situation is that plan A was to ride for Froome and there was no plan B. So Cavendish and Rowe do their bit, pulling to Firenze, then when the laps start it becomes pretty apparent that Froome doesn't have the form to do anything. Which seemed pretty likely anyway, from his recent results, and probably the GB riders had the real skinny and started the race knowing theirs was a lost cause, or figured it out pretty quick - they know each other well, can read the body language. Now do you suffer 270 kms to support a leader who will be lucky to just finish? The rain and slick pavement and falling riders has to enter into your thinking. A fall means some risk of injury to the body that you depend on to earn a living, that needs to start next season strong. If there's no possible reward, will you take the risk?

As far as I can tell, in pro cycling there isn't an imperative to finish a race that has gone all bad. The riders are pretty pragmatic about it.


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