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    l'enfer du Nord

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    Would love to see Boonen and Cancellara go at it.
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    Well that was a fun one (to watch). Terpsra's break reminded me of Kwiatkowski dropping Sagan at the finish of Strade Bianchi.
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    When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
    Terpstra benefited from the the size and mix of the group. The TTers weren't keen on giving sprinters like Degenkolb, Sagan and Boonen a free ride. The sprinters were all hoping somebody else would call the bluff and do the work but the only rider in the group not hoping to win was Arndt and he had already spent himself. Basically, they were all hoping to do what Cancellara did at the end of Flanders, but they know what happened so nobody wanted to be the next Vanmarke.

    I was a little surprised the Sky duo didn't try something, but then they had done a lot of work to bridge up so they might not have had anything left.

    Side question: does anyone have link to some footage of the sprint for second? The NBC and Eurosport feed I saw missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
    Two OPQ (same team as Terpstra), the rest watching Degenkolb and Cancellara and hardly likely to help either to victory in a sprint for the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
    That's bike racing. A group can almost always chase down an individual attack, if they choose to. They didn't choose to, for the reasons explained by others here.

    Solo attacks are based on the premise that the group won't work together to respond, or will at least hesistate in doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Side question: does anyone have link to some footage of the sprint for second? The NBC and Eurosport feed I saw missed it.
    I was watching it live on Eurosport and the host TV messed up at the end but they went back and showed about 3 seconds of the battle for podium later. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere. Group of 9 with only Cancellara and Degenkolb really contesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    That's bike racing. A group can almost always chase down an individual attack, if they choose to. They didn't choose to, for the reasons explained by others here.

    Solo attacks are based on the premise that the group won't work together to respond, or will at least hesistate in doing so.
    Or, they were all running on fumes. Honestly, they all looked spent. That, too, is bike racing.

    Wiggo was impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    I was watching it live on Eurosport and the host TV messed up at the end but they went back and showed about 3 seconds of the battle for podium later. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere. Group of 9 with only Cancellara and Degenkolb really contesting.
    That is what I was wondering about. Didn't know if Boonen and Sagan got flat out beat, didn't care or were just spent because I would have expected them to have been a bit higher in that group.

    I am happy for Terpstra, but it would have been interesting for that to have been a group sprint for 1st place on that track with everyone going for it. Well, interesting in a dangerous kind of way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickgm60 View Post
    Or, they were all running on fumes. Honestly, they all looked spent. That, too, is bike racing.

    Wiggo was impressive.

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    I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
    The articles I read stated otherwise. FC's troubles started before the race did, with Devolder not starting. The curb hop/crash delay, headwinds, fast large group coming off the Arenberg... Terpstra's attack looked to be perfectly-timed and he seemed to be the freshest.

    Regardless, a great race. I, for one, was glad to see a less well-known winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
    Yeah, it's a strange psychology. I take it as a given that at least Cancellera and Boonen really wanted to win a lot more than merely get on the podium. And Sagan seems to have been coming up short all year, so him too. And when Terpstra rode away, they each knew that winning was gone and only the podium was up for grabs. But still you'd think that the rivals could work together to chase - one would win and the others could still have a good chance at the podium anyway.

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    pretty much in agreement. if someone just took the lead to chase Terpstra, i think most of the pursuers could have beaten him, but i don't think anybody wanted to be known as the boob that dragged everybody up to the finish line just in order to get beaten.

    but as someone mentioned, i think sky had a couple, maybe three, guys there at the end and could have sacrificed someone. of course you never know, they could have been on their last legs.

    anyway, good race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    but as someone mentioned, i think sky had a couple, maybe three, guys there at the end and could have sacrificed someone. of course you never know, they could have been on their last legs.

    anyway, good race.
    Watch the replay - the Sky guys were in the back of that train, sitting up and not even pedaling full time. Maybe they were spent, I dunno

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    Thomas and Wiggins are not sprinters so they'd have chased Terpstra for nothing.

    The group needed a sprinter with a teammate who still had the legs to chase down Terpstra. Degenkolb didn't have one, Sagan was spent.

    Cancellara figured he would have a better chance contesting the sprint, he seems to have developed the ability to sprint well after 200 km. Vanmarche probably figured the same.

    Really interesting tactical dilemma and OPQS' numbers game finally paid off.

    I was happy to see Wiggins do so well. I hope he rides it again.
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    What I love about watching races like Paris Roubaix is how often the top racers in the sport end up out in front having to do their own work and riding very hard. The TdF is great, but much of the time it almost seems like the team leaders are totally coddled by having teammates all around them to do the work and never really have to exert themselves with a few rare exceptions. I know they are different types of races, but I much prefer to see guys like Sagan, Cancellara, Wiggins, Boonen, etc riding like men possessed and seemingly right on the edge of cracking for the last 50 Km or so. When they are done, there is no question they have been in a real race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
    Here we go again <big sigh>
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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    pretty much in agreement. if someone just took the lead to chase Terpstra, i think most of the pursuers could have beaten him, but i don't think anybody wanted to be known as the boob that dragged everybody up to the finish line just in order to get beaten.

    but as someone mentioned, i think sky had a couple, maybe three, guys there at the end and could have sacrificed someone. of course you never know, they could have been on their last legs.

    anyway, good race.
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    Seems to me this race had taken on a characteristic of non-cooperation. That petty much left it to one of the strong men left to try to jump and chase, making sure no one else caught his wheel. Seems none of the saw the chance. Which makes sense. I doubt any of them had enough in the tank for more than one try and a good chance did not come along quickly enough. After a bit it was too late, they might have been abe to bridge, but nly to arrive spent and not able o in a sprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
    Credit Boonen with 2 assists, he broke the race apart and he was then the threat that stopped the final chase from stating.

    I really does make a difference having 3 riders in play .
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txags92 View Post
    What I love about watching races like Paris Roubaix is how often the top racers in the sport end up out in front having to do their own work and riding very hard. The TdF is great, but much of the time it almost seems like the team leaders are totally coddled by having teammates all around them to do the work and never really have to exert themselves with a few rare exceptions. I know they are different types of races, but I much prefer to see guys like Sagan, Cancellara, Wiggins, Boonen, etc riding like men possessed and seemingly right on the edge of cracking for the last 50 Km or so. When they are done, there is no question they have been in a real race...
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    Report: UK Anti-doping To Study Vial Of Pills Found At Paris-Roubaix | Cyclingnews.com

    it seems that the pills will be examined and that the rider is known to authorities. Maybe it'll be nothing. Or not.

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