Notices
Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

l'enfer du Nord

Old 04-10-14, 05:08 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
roadwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664

Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
l'enfer du Nord

Attached Images
roadwarrior is offline  
Old 04-10-14, 02:16 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Jed19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 4,224
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Would love to see Boonen and Cancellara go at it.
Jed19 is offline  
Old 04-13-14, 11:28 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
jeirvine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Baltimore MD
Posts: 3,971

Bikes: '72 Motobecane Grand Record, '72 Gitane tandem, '72 Raleigh Super Course, '73 Raleigh Gran Sport, '73 Colnago Super, '76 Fiorelli Coppi, '78 Raleigh SBDU Team Pro, '78 Trek 930, '81 Holdsworth Special 650B, '86 Masi GC, ’94 Bridgestone RB-T

Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 784 Post(s)
Liked 513 Times in 278 Posts
Well that was a fun one (to watch). Terpsra's break reminded me of Kwiatkowski dropping Sagan at the finish of Strade Bianchi.
__________________
The man who dies with the most toys…is dead. - Rootboy
jeirvine is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 07:57 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
MinnMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 5,733

Bikes: 2022 Salsa Beargrease Carbon Deore 11, 2020 Salsa Warbird GRX 600, 2020 Canyon Ultimate CF SLX disc 9.0 Di2, 2020 Catrike Eola, 2016 Masi cxgr, 2011, Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4258 Post(s)
Liked 2,934 Times in 1,809 Posts
When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
MinnMan is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 08:32 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Haunchyville
Posts: 6,407
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by MinnMan
When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
Terpstra benefited from the the size and mix of the group. The TTers weren't keen on giving sprinters like Degenkolb, Sagan and Boonen a free ride. The sprinters were all hoping somebody else would call the bluff and do the work but the only rider in the group not hoping to win was Arndt and he had already spent himself. Basically, they were all hoping to do what Cancellara did at the end of Flanders, but they know what happened so nobody wanted to be the next Vanmarke.

I was a little surprised the Sky duo didn't try something, but then they had done a lot of work to bridge up so they might not have had anything left.

Side question: does anyone have link to some footage of the sprint for second? The NBC and Eurosport feed I saw missed it.

Last edited by canam73; 04-14-14 at 08:35 AM.
canam73 is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 08:38 AM
  #6  
Heretic
 
Caretaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 2,246

Bikes: Specialized Sirrus, Giant OCR3, Giant CRS3

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2827 Post(s)
Liked 561 Times in 429 Posts
Originally Posted by MinnMan
When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
Two OPQ (same team as Terpstra), the rest watching Degenkolb and Cancellara and hardly likely to help either to victory in a sprint for the line.
Caretaker is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 08:55 AM
  #7  
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,273

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1428 Post(s)
Liked 697 Times in 353 Posts
Originally Posted by MinnMan
When Terpstra bolted, it seemed like the chase group was paralyzed, despite the fact that it was like a group of classics all-stars. Some were not even riding that hard. It seems like the group could have caught him if they responded and worked together, but they didn't.
That's bike racing. A group can almost always chase down an individual attack, if they choose to. They didn't choose to, for the reasons explained by others here.

Solo attacks are based on the premise that the group won't work together to respond, or will at least hesistate in doing so.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 10:43 AM
  #8  
Heretic
 
Caretaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 2,246

Bikes: Specialized Sirrus, Giant OCR3, Giant CRS3

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2827 Post(s)
Liked 561 Times in 429 Posts
Originally Posted by canam73
Side question: does anyone have link to some footage of the sprint for second? The NBC and Eurosport feed I saw missed it.
I was watching it live on Eurosport and the host TV messed up at the end but they went back and showed about 3 seconds of the battle for podium later. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere. Group of 9 with only Cancellara and Degenkolb really contesting.
Caretaker is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 10:53 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
patrickgm60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Northern CA
Posts: 530

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
That's bike racing. A group can almost always chase down an individual attack, if they choose to. They didn't choose to, for the reasons explained by others here.

Solo attacks are based on the premise that the group won't work together to respond, or will at least hesistate in doing so.
Or, they were all running on fumes. Honestly, they all looked spent. That, too, is bike racing.

Wiggo was impressive.

Attached Images
patrickgm60 is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 10:56 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Haunchyville
Posts: 6,407
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Caretaker
I was watching it live on Eurosport and the host TV messed up at the end but they went back and showed about 3 seconds of the battle for podium later. Doesn't seem to be available anywhere. Group of 9 with only Cancellara and Degenkolb really contesting.
That is what I was wondering about. Didn't know if Boonen and Sagan got flat out beat, didn't care or were just spent because I would have expected them to have been a bit higher in that group.

I am happy for Terpstra, but it would have been interesting for that to have been a group sprint for 1st place on that track with everyone going for it. Well, interesting in a dangerous kind of way.
canam73 is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 11:13 AM
  #11  
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,273

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1428 Post(s)
Liked 697 Times in 353 Posts
Originally Posted by patrickgm60
Or, they were all running on fumes. Honestly, they all looked spent. That, too, is bike racing.

Wiggo was impressive.

I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 02:10 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
patrickgm60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Northern CA
Posts: 530

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
The articles I read stated otherwise. FC's troubles started before the race did, with Devolder not starting. The curb hop/crash delay, headwinds, fast large group coming off the Arenberg... Terpstra's attack looked to be perfectly-timed and he seemed to be the freshest.

Regardless, a great race. I, for one, was glad to see a less well-known winner.
patrickgm60 is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 02:15 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
MinnMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 5,733

Bikes: 2022 Salsa Beargrease Carbon Deore 11, 2020 Salsa Warbird GRX 600, 2020 Canyon Ultimate CF SLX disc 9.0 Di2, 2020 Catrike Eola, 2016 Masi cxgr, 2011, Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4258 Post(s)
Liked 2,934 Times in 1,809 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
Yeah, it's a strange psychology. I take it as a given that at least Cancellera and Boonen really wanted to win a lot more than merely get on the podium. And Sagan seems to have been coming up short all year, so him too. And when Terpstra rode away, they each knew that winning was gone and only the podium was up for grabs. But still you'd think that the rivals could work together to chase - one would win and the others could still have a good chance at the podium anyway.
MinnMan is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 02:47 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Above ground, Walnut Creek, Ca
Posts: 6,681

Bikes: 8 ss bikes, 1 5-speed touring bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 86 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
pretty much in agreement. if someone just took the lead to chase Terpstra, i think most of the pursuers could have beaten him, but i don't think anybody wanted to be known as the boob that dragged everybody up to the finish line just in order to get beaten.

but as someone mentioned, i think sky had a couple, maybe three, guys there at the end and could have sacrificed someone. of course you never know, they could have been on their last legs.

anyway, good race.
hueyhoolihan is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 03:16 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
MinnMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 5,733

Bikes: 2022 Salsa Beargrease Carbon Deore 11, 2020 Salsa Warbird GRX 600, 2020 Canyon Ultimate CF SLX disc 9.0 Di2, 2020 Catrike Eola, 2016 Masi cxgr, 2011, Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4258 Post(s)
Liked 2,934 Times in 1,809 Posts
Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan
but as someone mentioned, i think sky had a couple, maybe three, guys there at the end and could have sacrificed someone. of course you never know, they could have been on their last legs.

anyway, good race.
Watch the replay - the Sky guys were in the back of that train, sitting up and not even pedaling full time. Maybe they were spent, I dunno
MinnMan is offline  
Old 04-14-14, 10:15 PM
  #16  
jyl
Senior Member
 
jyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 7,644

Bikes: 61 Bianchi Specialissima 71 Peugeot G50 7? P'geot PX10 74 Raleigh GranSport 75 P'geot UO8 78? Raleigh Team Pro 82 P'geot PSV 86 P'geot PX 91 Bridgestone MB0 92 B'stone XO1 97 Rans VRex 92 Cannondale R1000 94 B'stone MB5 97 Vitus 997

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 392 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 48 Times in 30 Posts
Thomas and Wiggins are not sprinters so they'd have chased Terpstra for nothing.

The group needed a sprinter with a teammate who still had the legs to chase down Terpstra. Degenkolb didn't have one, Sagan was spent.

Cancellara figured he would have a better chance contesting the sprint, he seems to have developed the ability to sprint well after 200 km. Vanmarche probably figured the same.

Really interesting tactical dilemma and OPQS' numbers game finally paid off.

I was happy to see Wiggins do so well. I hope he rides it again.
jyl is offline  
Old 04-15-14, 08:48 AM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 799
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
What I love about watching races like Paris Roubaix is how often the top racers in the sport end up out in front having to do their own work and riding very hard. The TdF is great, but much of the time it almost seems like the team leaders are totally coddled by having teammates all around them to do the work and never really have to exert themselves with a few rare exceptions. I know they are different types of races, but I much prefer to see guys like Sagan, Cancellara, Wiggins, Boonen, etc riding like men possessed and seemingly right on the edge of cracking for the last 50 Km or so. When they are done, there is no question they have been in a real race...
txags92 is offline  
Old 04-15-14, 01:31 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
SpeshulEd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 8,088
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Hmm...

https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/raci...s-found-120446
__________________
Hey guys, lets go play bikes! Strava

SpeshulEd is offline  
Old 04-15-14, 04:45 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Jed19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 4,224
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by SpeshulEd
Here we go again <big sigh>
Jed19 is offline  
Old 04-15-14, 05:22 PM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Keith99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan
pretty much in agreement. if someone just took the lead to chase Terpstra, i think most of the pursuers could have beaten him, but i don't think anybody wanted to be known as the boob that dragged everybody up to the finish line just in order to get beaten.

but as someone mentioned, i think sky had a couple, maybe three, guys there at the end and could have sacrificed someone. of course you never know, they could have been on their last legs.

anyway, good race.
I'm not sure about racing, but I do know games, be it football (any of the variations), basketball, Ice Hockey or pretty much anything else own character. One week a gentlemanly but hard fought contest the next a series of punch ups, even though it is the same 2 teams.

Seems to me this race had taken on a characteristic of non-cooperation. That petty much left it to one of the strong men left to try to jump and chase, making sure no one else caught his wheel. Seems none of the saw the chance. Which makes sense. I doubt any of them had enough in the tank for more than one try and a good chance did not come along quickly enough. After a bit it was too late, they might have been abe to bridge, but nly to arrive spent and not able o in a sprint.
Keith99 is offline  
Old 04-15-14, 05:27 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Keith99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I find it highly unlikely that Cancellera couldn't have chased down Terpstra by himself, or at least have given it a good shot. But he knew all he'd be doing would be towing Boonen or Sagan to a win.
Credit Boonen with 2 assists, he broke the race apart and he was then the threat that stopped the final chase from stating.

I really does make a difference having 3 riders in play .
Keith99 is offline  
Old 04-16-14, 12:41 PM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
jeirvine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Baltimore MD
Posts: 3,971

Bikes: '72 Motobecane Grand Record, '72 Gitane tandem, '72 Raleigh Super Course, '73 Raleigh Gran Sport, '73 Colnago Super, '76 Fiorelli Coppi, '78 Raleigh SBDU Team Pro, '78 Trek 930, '81 Holdsworth Special 650B, '86 Masi GC, ’94 Bridgestone RB-T

Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 784 Post(s)
Liked 513 Times in 278 Posts
Originally Posted by txags92
What I love about watching races like Paris Roubaix is how often the top racers in the sport end up out in front having to do their own work and riding very hard. The TdF is great, but much of the time it almost seems like the team leaders are totally coddled by having teammates all around them to do the work and never really have to exert themselves with a few rare exceptions. I know they are different types of races, but I much prefer to see guys like Sagan, Cancellara, Wiggins, Boonen, etc riding like men possessed and seemingly right on the edge of cracking for the last 50 Km or so. When they are done, there is no question they have been in a real race...
Yup. Much prefer a one day monument.
__________________
The man who dies with the most toys…is dead. - Rootboy
jeirvine is offline  
Old 04-19-14, 04:38 PM
  #23  
Senior Member
 
MinnMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 5,733

Bikes: 2022 Salsa Beargrease Carbon Deore 11, 2020 Salsa Warbird GRX 600, 2020 Canyon Ultimate CF SLX disc 9.0 Di2, 2020 Catrike Eola, 2016 Masi cxgr, 2011, Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4258 Post(s)
Liked 2,934 Times in 1,809 Posts
Report: UK Anti-doping To Study Vial Of Pills Found At Paris-Roubaix | Cyclingnews.com

it seems that the pills will be examined and that the rider is known to authorities. Maybe it'll be nothing. Or not.
MinnMan is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
TimothyH
Road Cycling
135
09-17-18 07:44 PM
Beerslinger
Road Cycling
17
06-11-10 02:19 PM
ilovetheewind
Road Cycling
3
04-12-10 05:48 AM
ilovetheewind
Road Cycling
8
04-11-10 09:05 PM
capolover
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
17
01-29-10 09:04 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.