Should Brian Holm be given the boot at Omega?
He was found not guilty, but I don't think the seven year old made up the story.
Omega boss stands behind acquitted Brian Holm - VeloNews.com |
Why do you know the seven year old?
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Originally Posted by DLBroox
(Post 16913732)
Why do you know the seven year old?
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So once an allegation is made by a child, one is guilty regardless of what a court might find?
Other Well-Known Cases | Innocence Lost | FRONTLINE | PBS |
Ever hear of the McMartin Preschool Case?
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Originally Posted by DLBroox
(Post 16913852)
Ever hear of the McMartin Preschool Case?
Holm was found not guilty b/cos there was not enough evidence to convict. If you are a father like I am, you can see how seven year old can't make up details like he licked my ear and took off my underwear. Kids are different than adults in that at a certain age they just tell the truth without thinking about the ramifications. I was at a party last Friday where an eight year old girl told a fellow guest in front of everybody that "my mom says you are weird, and should stay away from my dad." Everybody laughed nervously, except the lady she was talking to. And Holm admitted he was drunk! |
Yes, no seven year old has ever made things up.
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Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16914951)
Yes, no seven year old has ever made things up.
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Originally Posted by DLBroox
(Post 16913852)
Ever hear of the McMartin Preschool Case?
I'd at the least want to see a transcript of the interview with the child before making even a tentative decision. |
Originally Posted by Jed19
(Post 16916018)
Not with the kind of details in this case.
Circular reasoning. |
Originally Posted by achoo
(Post 16916652)
But if they do make up details like that, you'd just assume they're telling the truth.
Circular reasoning. Pedophiles, for the most part, are betting on kids not being believed. |
Originally Posted by Jed19
(Post 16916018)
Not with the kind of details in this case.
What you linked was a news report referring to unnamed media sources. And Velonews has never been known for their accurate, investigative journalism. They have enough trouble with the results from bike races that they attend. |
Originally Posted by gl98115
(Post 16916781)
What are the details of the case?
What you linked was a news report referring to unnamed media sources. And Velonews has never been known for their accurate, investigative journalism. They have enough trouble with the results from bike races that they attend. The shame is I am almost positive he'll do it again to another child. These non-convicted types always do. |
Let's say for argument sake the kid did say that, without context you have no idea if the kid is sexualizing that action anyway. You're the one making that jump.
Read the link of other cases that Bikemig posted. Take this excerpt for example: "The case began in April 1985, when a four year-old boy was being examined at a pediatrician's office. The nurse rubbed his back and took his temperature with a rectal thermometer. He did not seem upset, but remarked to her "that's what my teacher does to me at nap time at school." The nurse suspected that he was being abused at the day care center, and immediately reported her suspicions to authorities." What do you think the teacher did, logically? Rub his back I'm thinking. It's context. I've looked for the news on this Holm story and there's virtually nothing. So not only have you decided he's guilty, you've already decided he's a pedophile who will do this again. And that he should lose his job. I hope you're never called for jury duty. |
Originally Posted by DLBroox
(Post 16916854)
Let's say for argument sake the kid did say that, without context you have no idea if the kid is sexualizing that action anyway. You're the one making that jump.
Read the link of other cases that Bikemig posted. Take this excerpt for example: "The case began in April 1985, when a four year-old boy was being examined at a pediatrician's office. The nurse rubbed his back and took his temperature with a rectal thermometer. He did not seem upset, but remarked to her "that's what my teacher does to me at nap time at school." The nurse suspected that he was being abused at the day care center, and immediately reported her suspicions to authorities." What do you think the teacher did, logically? Rub his back I'm thinking. It's context. I've looked for the news on this Holm story and there's virtually nothing. So not only have you decided he's guilty, you've already decided he's a pedophile who will do this again. And that he should lose his job. I hope you're never called for jury duty. |
Originally Posted by Jed19
(Post 16916696)
No, I am saying a seven year old won't say something like he licked my ear. I don't think a seven year old can construe that particular action as "sexual."
... Perfectly circular reasoning: it's not made up because it's not made up. |
Originally Posted by achoo
(Post 16916999)
And how do you KNOW that a seven-year-old can't make up something like that? Just because your kid(s) never did make up things like that? Or they did and you believed them because you KNEW they couldn't make that up?
Perfectly circular reasoning: it's not made up because it's not made up. Mr. Holm was intoxicated, and that alone suggests to me this child was probably molested. You can believe what you want, but I believe the child. And for the circular reasoning charge, I say nonsense. Just wait till he does it again. Psychologists are of the view that pedophiles that are never caught/treated always keep at it. |
Originally Posted by Jed19
(Post 16917028)
Mr. Holm was intoxicated, and that alone suggests to me this child was probably molested. You can believe what you want, but I believe the child. So do all intoxicated people molest children? |
Originally Posted by DLBroox
(Post 16917085)
So do all intoxicated people molest children?
The intoxicated bit probably/in all likelihood impaired his judgement terribly. |
Originally Posted by Jed19
(Post 16917028)
And for the circular reasoning charge, I say nonsense. Just wait till he does it again. Psychologists are of the view that pedophiles that are never caught/treated always keep at it.
But children do make things up, and children can be coaxed/coached/coerced into saying things. I don't know why anyone would want to coach the child to say such things about Holm, any more than I know why Holm would want to do the things the child described. But absent a more compelling case than she said/he said/he admitted he'd had one too many, there doesn't appear to be enough for the Danish court to pursue the matter further. You can believe the child all you want. I'd say there are some in the Danish legal system who do, too. But in the law, it doesn't matter what you believe, it matters what you can prove. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable working with Holm, or to leave him alone around my nieces or nephews, but OPQS, who know the guy a lot better than you or I or any of us posting here, are happy to keep him working with their professional all-male cycling team. |
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