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    Quote Originally Posted by Athens80 View Post
    or don't even think; just click the link in the article:
    Yeah, but what does all that count for when fried bake tells us she doesn't understand cycling or sports in general?

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    ya but she said Cavendish quit.

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    damn who cut the onions again.

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    I, too, was surprised that French TV stuck w/ the Talansky feed. But happily so.

    That was a great ride.

    I heard Phil & Paul mention Tiago over & over again the day before. So French TV didn't cover him like Talansky. Well, complain to French TV then.

    I won't lie & say I'm equally proud of both but I *did* like that Tiago refused the "sweep" by continuing to ride & earning the right to ride the next day, however, American pride bleeds thru in comparison with Talansky.

    Loved it!

    I remember watching Talansky cry when learning he'd won the Criterium. He is a great personality for cycling, in general.

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    The only Talansky coverage we got over here in Australia was of him hanging onto the team car (for which he was fined), then trying to quit by the side of the road, his managers telling him to get back on his bicycle and get moving, and him sobbing his way down the road. Then there was a very brief, weepy interview at the end of the day ... and then he quit.

    All up ... about 1 minute of coverage, and sorry to say, nothing heroic about it. <<shrug>>

    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    Well, I guess I am the one, because I read the article and found it offensive. Cav "quit", Froome " called it a day", and Contador "surrendered". And Talansky battled on heroically.

    From the coverage we get over here in Australia ...

    Cav broke his collarbone.
    Froome broke both wrists.
    Contador broke a leg.

    Talansky just didn't want to do it anymore.

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    I haven't tried to rank the "most inspiring moments." Contador riding ~18km on a bleeding, and as we learned, fractured leg ... Froome starting stage 5 though it seemed likely he was injured ... Martin, Elmiger and Bauer in breaks ... Machado riding on ... Voigt, Yates in breaks ... Cheng bringing them back ... Rodriguez and other fighting back from earlier injuries ... Nibali gliding over the cobbles....

    Talansky's ride made a good tragedy. He came in a winner, hit the ground hard twice, was eliminated from contention, kept going in great pain, faced the doubt, and went out only on his terms -- tomorrow, but not today. And thanks to the choices of TV production, we got to see it for an extended period in the US at least. Would he ride on ... Would he be eliminated? On that one day, he went the distance when he didn't have to, when cold logic said stop.

    His determination does not diminish my admiration for the others'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fstshrk View Post
    That is a very nice article. I watched the whole stage and the amount of people that were cheering him on was simply incredible.

    Great ride from Talansky. Hoping he will have better luck next year.
    The crowds were amazing. French fans know how to appreciate suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    The only Talansky coverage we got over here in Australia was of him hanging onto the team car (for which he was fined), then trying to quit by the side of the road, his managers telling him to get back on his bicycle and get moving, and him sobbing his way down the road. Then there was a very brief, weepy interview at the end of the day ... and then he quit.

    All up ... about 1 minute of coverage, and sorry to say, nothing heroic about it. <<shrug>>




    From the coverage we get over here in Australia ...

    Cav broke his collarbone.
    Froome broke both wrists.
    Contador broke a leg.

    Talansky just didn't want to do it anymore.
    When you too can get on a bike and ride like Talansky did, after sustaining multiple falls and painful back spams, then you come back here and tell me how great you all are.

    Seriously now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athens80 View Post
    His determination does not diminish my admiration for the others'.
    well said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athens80 View Post
    I haven't tried to rank the "most inspiring moments." Contador riding ~18km on a bleeding, and as we learned, fractured leg ... Froome starting stage 5 though it seemed likely he was injured ... Martin, Elmiger and Bauer in breaks ... Machado riding on ... Voigt, Yates in breaks ... Cheng bringing them back ... Rodriguez and other fighting back from earlier injuries ... Nibali gliding over the cobbles....

    Talansky's ride made a good tragedy. He came in a winner, hit the ground hard twice, was eliminated from contention, kept going in great pain, faced the doubt, and went out only on his terms -- tomorrow, but not today. And thanks to the choices of TV production, we got to see it for an extended period in the US at least. Would he ride on ... Would he be eliminated? On that one day, he went the distance when he didn't have to, when cold logic said stop.

    His determination does not diminish my admiration for the others'.
    Very well written, and I agree with all of it. This post is far more insightful than the NY Times article that started the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    When you too can get on a bike and ride like Talansky did, after sustaining multiple falls and painful back spams, then you come back here and tell me how great you all are.

    Seriously now...
    I'm not judging how good or bad he was ... and I'm certainly not saying anything about my cycling ability ... I'm just telling you about the coverage provided here in Australia.

    From what I saw on the coverage here, he just up and quit in a storm of weeping and sobbing.

    I've been watching the TDF every night, and I don't ever recall them saying anything about Talansky's injuries ... if he had any ... or not. Maybe they did, and I missed it. As far as I could tell he seemed to have a little bit of an achy back, but nothing broken. Perhaps someone here can tell me what bone(s) he broke in his falls??

    Again ... I'm not judging him ... I'm just going by the information I've seen provided to the viewers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    I'm not judging how good or bad he was ... and I'm certainly not saying anything about my cycling ability ... I'm just telling you about the coverage provided here in Australia.

    From what I saw on the coverage here, he just up and quit in a storm of weeping and sobbing.

    I've been watching the TDF every night, and I don't ever recall them saying anything about Talansky's injuries ... if he had any ... or not. Maybe they did, and I missed it. As far as I could tell he seemed to have a little bit of an achy back, but nothing broken. Perhaps someone here can tell me what bone(s) he broke in his falls??

    Again ... I'm not judging him ... I'm just going by the information I've seen provided to the viewers here.
    Well, your coverage is lacking.

    Here his injuries were well documented in the NBC Sports network. Also documented elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    Well, your coverage is lacking.

    Here his injuries were well documented in the NBC Sports network. Also documented elsewhere.
    We don't get NBC here ... and our coverage (several hours of it every day), quite naturally, does not focus on American riders.

    So ... what did he break?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    Well, your coverage is lacking.
    But... but.... earlier we were told the live feed was focused on Talansky. And since Tasmania is in the group of 185 countries getting the live feed, she must have gotten exactly what we got. You guys keep thanking French TV, now those buggers must have cut out the southern hemisphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jseis View Post
    Shackleton's a stud. He and Joshua Slocum.
    He would have made it to Paris.

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    I have a hard time admiring him. He caused two of his crashes himself. In the worst one, during the sprint, he moves away from the pack not even looking where he is going and rams into another rider.

    If Farrar were riding, there would be so many crashes that twice the number of riders would have abandoned by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    I'm not judging how good or bad he was ... and I'm certainly not saying anything about my cycling ability ... I'm just telling you about the coverage provided here in Australia.

    From what I saw on the coverage here, he just up and quit in a storm of weeping and sobbing.

    I've been watching the TDF every night, and I don't ever recall them saying anything about Talansky's injuries ... if he had any ... or not. Maybe they did, and I missed it. As far as I could tell he seemed to have a little bit of an achy back, but nothing broken. Perhaps someone here can tell me what bone(s) he broke in his falls??

    Again ... I'm not judging him ... I'm just going by the information I've seen provided to the viewers here.
    You've got to admit he's a little tougher than the Aussies though. I think Orica Greenedge had something like 1 Aussie left at the end of the Giro. The rest quit for one reason or another. No broken bones that I can recall. I don't think they even had slightly achy backs, just runny noses.

    Of course I'm not judging them
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    But... but.... earlier we were told the live feed was focused on Talansky. And since Tasmania is in the group of 185 countries getting the live feed, she must have gotten exactly what we got. You guys keep thanking French TV, now those buggers must have cut out the southern hemisphere.
    I don't think we get truly live coverage.

    When our coverage starts, we get about 30 minutes that includes "Getting To Know You" with the leaders of the tour, the Aussies, and maybe a little bit of the Canadians, then there's Gabriel Gatι, of course, and there's usually a segment on the behind-the-scenes aspect of the tour.

    Then we get about 15 minutes telling us what has been happening in the day's ride so far. Then we join the race in progress ... often anywhere from about 30-60 minutes in progress already.

    So on the Talansky day, we got a 5 second comment that Talansky had dropped off the back and was trailing about 15 min behind.


    I also suspect that the coverage is often on about a 5 minute delay because later the camera shot focused in on Talansky getting off his bicycle and sitting down in the grass and the managers etc. coming over to him ... that was another 5 second shot. The focus of the race went elsewhere for about 30 seconds, then returned to Talansky who was getting back on his bicycle sobbing his eyes out, and one of the announcers said, "I make that 5 minutes he was sitting by the side of the road". For a moment I though that had to be the fastest 5 minutes I've ever encountered, then it occurred to me that they must run on a time delay and can pick and choose the coverage.

    The cameras returned to Talansky a couple more times for about 5 seconds each time and that was it until the end when he sobbed into the microphone for about 5 seconds.


    With that much (that little) coverage it is really hard to see the heroic aspect. Not saying it wasn't there ... it just wasn't highlighted over here.

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    Good story.
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    And there you have it. Who would have thought - the news is biased. Gasp. Sob.

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    Geeze.

    It's like he's the only guy who's ever suffered through pain before.

    How about Tyler Hamilton? "In the 2003 Tour, he broke his collarbone in a crash on Stage 1, yet rode to a fourth-place finish in Paris three weeks later, distracting himself from the agony by grinding his teeth down to the roots. "

    And then in the Giro, "He's counting his refurbished teeth."Eleven, or twelve, I think," says the Marblehead, Massachusetts, native, referring to the number of molars he had recapped after grinding them down to their nerves during the Giro.

    Or Hoogerland?


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    Was Hoogerland the one who crashed into the barb-wire fence? That must have been so painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    Was Hoogerland the one who crashed into the barb-wire fence? That must have been so painful.
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    Well it sounds like you actually get a better coverage than us here in France.. We get a incredibly boring pre-stage "thing" which has nothing to do with cycling, and the live coverage also generally starts 30-60 minutes in...

    Anyway, from this (australian!) article, we get a few interesting stats from last year TDF.. Basically, I think France TV only controls the helicopter feeds but there are many motorcycle feeds and each TV station is free to follow any rider it wants to.. Unlike (I think) most other major event (Soccer, Olympics..) where the feeds are tightly controlled...

    How the Tour de France is Broadcast To the World | CyclingTips

    • 3,360km of racing

    • 35 different start/finish town stages

    • broadcast in 190 countries

    • 450 journalists

    • 121 TV stations covering the event, of which 60 do so live, with 260 cameramen working on motorcycles, in helicopters and at the finish line

    • 72 radio stations

    • 560 accredited media organisations

    • 2400 vehicles on course (organisation, media, publicity caravan, etc.)

    • 4,500 people, from riders to organisers to media to members of the publicity caravan and so on

    • A 12km long publicity caravan that includes 180 vehicles, 600 people and that distributes nearly 15 million items to fans

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