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    Talansky...a fitting tribute to one tough hombre.

    This is a very nice article about Talansky's courageous ride.

    We have all been there.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/sp...nce-.html?_r=1

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    Good article. That sort of thing is something we rarely hear about in sports now.
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    Good article. How many sports can you think of where in one race, three top contenders are forced out due to injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    ...A very nice article about Talansky's courageous ride.
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    That is a very nice article. I watched the whole stage and the amount of people that were cheering him on was simply incredible.

    Great ride from Talansky. Hoping he will have better luck next year.
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    With that ride Andrew Talansky went beyond the sphere of the tough cyclist into a space reserved for the triumph of the human spirit. That is a place where one's known boundaries of human endeavor are transcended and is available to all of us no matter how "small" we think our journey is. He gives us hope and expands our definition of "possibility." In the face of despair and defeat this is what a hero does.

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    I did not read the article, but in my opinion, he garnished excess praise and news coverage solely because he is an American. Tiago Machado also crashed badly, hurt himself badly, and continued to ride. He knew he was outside the time limit, knew his race was over, but finished regardless. Yet there is not a peep.

    NBC stopped covering the race to cover Talansky nonstop. I thought it was sickening, and disrespectful to the people competitively racing. Honestly, the whole NBC tour coverage has focused too heavily on the Americans, IMO. I watch it to see the top professionals in the sport, and not just the top professionals from the US of A.

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    NBC covers what the audience wants. Most Americans only care about their own country. That's the same anywhere. Do Yankee fans want to watch Orioles play or Bronco fans care about Patriot player that is hurt? About the only people expressing views that they care about the rest of the world are the ultra liberals.

    But in this case, Talansky is a story of American courage and fortitude the NBC audience liked watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    I did not read the article, but in my opinion, he garnished excess praise and news coverage solely because he is an American. Tiago Machado also crashed badly, hurt himself badly, and continued to ride. He knew he was outside the time limit, knew his race was over, but finished regardless. Yet there is not a peep.

    NBC stopped covering the race to cover Talansky nonstop. I thought it was sickening, and disrespectful to the people competitively racing. Honestly, the whole NBC tour coverage has focused too heavily on the Americans, IMO. I watch it to see the top professionals in the sport, and not just the top professionals from the US of A.
    You dear sir are proof that there is always one.

    Whether there was "excessive" coverage or not does not diminish the fact that he went so far beyond what we think is humanly possible. It was heroic, it was commendable, it was inspirational and it was unexpected. You could have turned you TV off at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
    Whether there was "excessive" coverage or not does not diminish the fact that he went so far beyond what we think is humanly possible. It was heroic, it was commendable, it was inspirational and it was unexpected.
    +1

    And, similar acts by other riders are of similar character. They are to be commended and we all should take their acts as guides for our own lives. In whatever measure we can.

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    Well, I guess I am the one, because I read the article and found it offensive. Cav "quit", Froome " called it a day", and Contador "surrendered". And Talansky battled on heroically.

    Don't take me wrong, I am amazed he finished, much as I am amazed Tiago Machado struggled on. Honestly, didn't Dan Martin do the same thing last year, but in the pouring rain? Maybe it was Nicolas Roche. But since they are Irish, it shouldn't matter. Cycling has amazing tales of struggling against adversity. Talansky did that. But to say " the boundaries of human endeavor are transcended", I think not. Read about Shackleton and the aptly named Endurance ​if you wish to see man persevere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    NBC stopped covering the race to cover Talansky nonstop. I thought it was sickening, and disrespectful to the people competitively racing.
    You are aware, of course, that French TV provides the picture feed to the U.S., not NBC. (You might pass that on to Stan)

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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    You are aware, of course, that French TV provides the picture feed to the U.S., not NBC. (You might pass that on to Stan)
    So Steve Porino works for French TV? It was his motorcycle and incessant blathering that was following Talansky. He should update his webpage that says NBCSports Cycling Correspondent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    So Steve Porino works for French TV?
    Do you not understand what a video feed is?

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    I assumed that Porino was an interruption to the live feed, just as the studio shots are. So when they make comments like "we're back to the live feed", they have ceased the feed to do their own insert, and are then going back to it. They say 185 countries receive the feed, so are you saying they all receive the same commentary? Watching the Giro was very different between English and Italian coverage.

    EDIT: But this is an assumption on my part, and I should not imply any expertise. The Talansky coverage may very well have been the live feed.
    Last edited by RollCNY; 07-20-14 at 03:35 PM.

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    I valued French television's keeping a camera on Talansky over those last miles. His story -- and others like his -- mean plenty to me. I've certainly spent plenty of hours alone on the bike, sometimes deciding whether to cut it short ASAP. And the French fans who stayed at the roadside and finish to cheer him on -- chapeau!

    Sometimes it's about being the best. Congrats to Gallopin for winning off the front. Sometimes it's just about following it through. Congrats to Talansky for winning in his day off the back.

    This will be one of the enduring memories of the 2014 tour. (And Bauer and Elminger added one today, as Martin did earlier.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    Well, I guess I am the one, because I read the article and found it offensive. Cav "quit", Froome " called it a day", and Contador "surrendered". And Talansky battled on heroically.

    Don't take me wrong, I am amazed he finished, much as I am amazed Tiago Machado struggled on. Honestly, didn't Dan Martin do the same thing last year, but in the pouring rain? Maybe it was Nicolas Roche. But since they are Irish, it shouldn't matter. Cycling has amazing tales of struggling against adversity. Talansky did that. But to say " the boundaries of human endeavor are transcended", I think not. Read about Shackleton and the aptly named Endurance ​if you wish to see man persevere.
    "quit, called it a day": very offensive and inaccurate language, which reflects that the writer doesn't understand cycling (or maybe even sports, in general) i'd guess.

    i don't begrudge an article (especially one in the New York Times) that attempts to conver the suffering that cyclists routinely endure, but i agree that this could have been better written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fried bake View Post
    "... which reflects that the writer doesn't understand cycling (or maybe even sports, in general) ...
    You might want to spend a minute (maybe two) looking into Juliet Macur's background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    Well, I guess I am the one, because I read the article and found it offensive. Cav "quit", Froome " called it a day", and Contador "surrendered". And Talansky battled on heroically.

    Don't take me wrong, I am amazed he finished, much as I am amazed Tiago Machado struggled on. Honestly, didn't Dan Martin do the same thing last year, but in the pouring rain? Maybe it was Nicolas Roche. But since they are Irish, it shouldn't matter. Cycling has amazing tales of struggling against adversity. Talansky did that. But to say " the boundaries of human endeavor are transcended", I think not. Read about Shackleton and the aptly named Endurance ​if you wish to see man persevere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    You might want to spend a minute (maybe two) looking into Juliet Macur's background.
    why? my statement was that the article contains errors that makes me think she doesn't know sports.

    what is the point that YOU'RE attempting to make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fried bake View Post
    what is the point that YOU'RE attempting to make?
    You draw conclusions based on flimsy evidence and don't even evaluate that well. Also, that you couldn't be more wrong about Macur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    You draw conclusions based on flimsy evidence and don't even evaluate that well. Also, that you couldn't be more wrong about Macur.
    i evaluated it based on her crappy article. it's her job to communicate her point well, but i guess she's glad to know you have her back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fried bake View Post
    why? my statement was that the article contains errors that makes me think she doesn't know sports.
    Think again.
    Juliet Macur is an award-winning sports reporter for The New York Times and a graduate of the Columbia University School of Journalism. She writes the Sports of the Times column and has written extensively about Lance Armstrong, cycling and doping. Her work has twice been anthologized in the Best American Sports Writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fried bake View Post
    why? my statement was that the article contains errors that makes me think she doesn't know sports.
    or don't even think; just click the link in the article:
    Juliet Macur is a sports reporter for The New York Times. Since 2004, she has covered the Olympics and Olympic sports, doping and legal issues.

    She has written features on a variety of other subjects, including coyote hunting in Oklahoma, former Yankee owner George Steinbrenner’s fear of mortality and the plight of N.F.L. quarterback Michael Vick’s pit bulls that were deemed unadoptable.
    Her projects include a series called “Countdown to Beijing,” which examined the sports machine in China as that country geared up to host the 2008 Summer Olympics, and another called “In Two Arenas,” which looked at the Iraq war’s effect on athletes.

    Before joining the Times in 2004, Ms. Macur worked as a project reporter for the Dallas Morning News, where she had the unenviable job of spending one entire season writing exclusively about then Dallas Cowboys coach Bill Parcells. Before that, she covered the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Olympics and motorsports for the Orlando Sentinel.

    Ms. Macur’s work has received honors from the National Press Club, the Associated Press Sports Editors, the Society of Professional Journalists and the New York Press Club. Her work has twice been anthologized in the Best American Sports Writing series.

    The daughter of Polish immigrants who came to the United States as refugees after World War II, Ms. Macur grew up in Bridgewater, N.J. She was the captain of the Columbia University rowing team while at Barnard College and received her bachelor’s degree in 1992. After college, she was a competitive rower for the New York Athletic Club. In 1997, she graduated with honors from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.

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    or don't even think; just click the link in the article:
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