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    The guy on the moto behind Nibali shoved her the rest of the way back into the crowd too
    You mean the gendarme.
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    Majka is the hero of the tour for me. It was great to see the heart he put into claiming the polka dots.

    Nibili has also made this a great tour to watch. I don't care if we have known he was going to win for more than a week. He has made it exciting.

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    I love Time Warner. NBCSN has been out of service for the last 30 minutes.
    I don't know about Time-Warner, but with Charter, I can get it over the internet if I log on to their website with my cable account information.

    So maybe you can do the same if it happens again ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    You mean the gendarme.
    Good catch

    I have no particular love for our heavy and costly french institutions but Gendarmes are great.. In essence military men with police duties... The comparison with our "normal" police is painful...

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    Valverde has cracked. Adios second place.
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    The TT is going to be worth watching!
    Looks like it could possibly be a French podium for the remaining two spots. I believe Peraud should pass Pinot in the TT for second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
    Nibili has also made this a great tour to watch. I don't care if we have known he was going to win for more than a week. He has made it exciting.
    Yea ..... shades of domination not seen since the Lance Armstrong days .... I like Nibali, but after watching this Tour unfold I' m thinking Astana has something proprietary and "new" going on. Come on, really, the only guy wearing yellow to win four non TT stages since the immortal Eddy Merckx. Looks like he can win the hardest stages against the best riders in the world whenever he feels like it. Interesting, if not overtly suspicious. Specially after Vinny calls him the "Boss", LOL.

    Ya' gotta' just know WADA is scrambling to find out what's goin' down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog View Post
    Yea ..... shades of domination not seen since the Lance Armstrong days .... I like Nibali, but after watching this Tour unfold I' m thinking Astana has something proprietary and "new" going on. Come on, really, the only guy wearing yellow to win four non TT stages since the immortal Eddy Merckx. Looks like he can win the hardest stages against the best riders in the world whenever he feels like it. Interesting, if not overtly suspicious. Specially after Vinny calls him the "Boss", LOL.
    And this has, on this year's Tour, become the traditional point at which we point out that at least 3 of the best riders in the world (Froome, Contador, Quintana) were never present when Nibali was tearing these fields apart.

    Nibali was 2'30 slower up Hautacam today than Bjarne Riis in 96, and 2'00 slower than Luc Leblanc in a thunderstorm in '94. If he's on drugs, he's not on anything nearly as good as those guys had.

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    anybody know how far back the typical fourth place GC rider finishes behind the TDF winner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog View Post
    Yea ..... shades of domination not seen since the Lance Armstrong days .... I like Nibali, but after watching this Tour unfold I' m thinking Astana has something proprietary and "new" going on. Come on, really, the only guy wearing yellow to win four non TT stages since the immortal Eddy Merckx. Looks like he can win the hardest stages against the best riders in the world whenever he feels like it. Interesting, if not overtly suspicious. Specially after Vinny calls him the "Boss", LOL.

    Ya' gotta' just know WADA is scrambling to find out what's goin' down.
    take into account that the most probable second and third place finishers DNF'd. maybe even 1 and 2 or 1 and 3. that's why i asked the question above. to get a more realistic idea of Nibali's dominance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leinster View Post
    And this has, on this year's Tour, become the traditional point at which we point out that at least 3 of the best riders in the world (Froome, Contador, Quintana) were never present when Nibali was tearing these fields apart.

    Nibali was 2'30 slower up Hautacam today than Bjarne Riis in 96, and 2'00 slower than Luc Leblanc in a thunderstorm in '94. If he's on drugs, he's not on anything nearly as good as those guys had.
    Irrelevant ... because it is relational to his current situation, the current riders abstinance, newly developed PED's, and today's drug testing environment, not the free for all that permeated the '90's era. They are surely not going to use the old "standby" PED's from the earlier days. Too easy to detect now. On the other hand, maybe you believe in Superman ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog View Post
    Irrelevant ... because it is relational to his current situation, the current riders abstinance, newly developed PED's, and today's drug testing environment, not the free for all that permeated the '90's era. They are surely not going to use the old "standby" PED's from the earlier days. Too easy to detect now. On the other hand, maybe you believe in Superman ...
    Good luck "Talldog" I tried raising this question in another thread and got thrashed. It's like they have never pulled for someone only to find that person cheated. It's happened to me too many times not to be skeptical for me the list is Landis / Rasmussen / Armstrong / Pantini / Contador. As I said in that earlier thread it is rare, very rare not to have at least one bad day in the tour, Nibali never had one in fact he dominated his contenders in every stage with the exception of Contador on that cat. 3 finish where he lost a whopping 3 seconds to him with Porte on his back wheel, the same Porte who cracked big time later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLBroox View Post
    He elbowed her! Her phone went flying. Definitely a lesson on not having your back to the race while obliviously playing with your phone. I Thought it was hilarious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog View Post
    Irrelevant ... because it is relational to his current situation, the current riders abstinance, newly developed PED's, and today's drug testing environment, not the free for all that permeated the '90's era. They are surely not going to use the old "standby" PED's from the earlier days. Too easy to detect now. On the other hand, maybe you believe in Superman ...
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    Good luck "Talldog" I tried raising this question in another thread and got thrashed. It's like they have never pulled for someone only to find that person cheated. It's happened to me too many times not to be skeptical for me the list is Landis / Rasmussen / Armstrong / Pantini / Contador. As I said in that earlier thread it is rare, very rare not to have at least one bad day in the tour, Nibali never had one in fact he dominated his contenders in every stage with the exception of Contador on that cat. 3 finish where he lost a whopping 3 seconds to him with Porte on his back wheel, the same Porte who cracked big time later on.
    Oh come off it the pair of you. There's none of us not cynical about what has happened and/or is happening in cycling, but even with the sport's history you can't just pin every good performance on drugs. Nibali was most people's 3rd favourite before this race began, and 1 and 2 crashed out. He's a good GC Rider who found himself up against a weak field. Nobody's ruling out the possibility that he might be on something, but it's tiresome to have people assume that's the only reason he's been so dominant.

    I think looking at the climbing times, compared with the height of the 90's EPO era, it's safe to say that the current testing systems are making a difference, in that while there's no doubt that there are still dopers in the peloton, at least they're toning it down a bit.

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    So we have a long TT coming up, and TJ should be the best of the top riders in the stage.

    If he has a great day, how much time can he realistically pick-up on the top 3 riders and can he possibly make the podium?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
    So we have a long TT coming up, and TJ should be the best of the top riders in the stage.

    If he has a great day, how much time can he realistically pick-up on the top 3 riders and can he possibly make the podium?
    I'd wager he could gain 3 solid minutes. At minimum he moves into 5th. If a miracle happens, he moves into 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leinster View Post
    Oh come off it the pair of you. There's none of us not cynical about what has happened and/or is happening in cycling, but even with the sport's history you can't just pin every good performance on drugs. Nibali was most people's 3rd favourite before this race began, and 1 and 2 crashed out. He's a good GC Rider who found himself up against a weak field. Nobody's ruling out the possibility that he might be on something, but it's tiresome to have people assume that's the only reason he's been so dominant.

    I think looking at the climbing times, compared with the height of the 90's EPO era, it's safe to say that the current testing systems are making a difference, in that while there's no doubt that there are still dopers in the peloton, at least they're toning it down a bit.
    Really ..... ? What he has done after today goes far beyond "good". WADA and the rest of their ilk are fully aware of of the limits that one rider can dominate a field where the margins of superiority are quite small. I'm sure there is a lot of midnight oil burning in their offices trying to figure out what is going on.

    People love heroes. They love dominate performances. People even loved Lance right until the last gasp of credibility was exhausted. I get that. But eventually reality creeps in. A big time racer once said that one has to bend the rules vis a vis doping to win the Tour. To summarily dominate a tour with no apparent difficulty validates that premise once again.

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    i thought Nibali was Sicilian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    anybody know how far back the typical fourth place GC rider finishes behind the TDF winner?
    I'd say about 10 minutes is typical. depends a lot on how the winner plays things.

    It varies widly occasionally in a single year in 1968 it was 3'17" a year later it was 29'24".

    BTW Nibili's performance is not Merckx like as teh announcers said. It would have been a seriously off year for Eddy. His 7 minutes also is NOT something that has not been done for over 20 years, unless 1997 is over 20 years ago.

    That said his number of days in Yellow is very impressive.
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    i thought Nibali was Sicilian...
    Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
    Majka is the hero of the tour for me. It was great to see the heart he put into claiming the polka dots.
    Would have been just scary to think what Contador would have done with a lead out man like Majka along with Roche and Rogers. But one advantage of Contador's going out was Majka had his chance to shine this year. I'll admit I don't know much about him or how he Time Trials but it be interesting if he sticks with this team or becomes a GC man for another team.

    Next year could really be special, if Nibali decides to focus on the Tour instead of the Giro, Quintana, Froome, Wiggins, Contador, and the new wave of French young riders all focus on TDF, 2015 could be a great tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talldog View Post
    Really ..... ? What he has done after today goes far beyond "good". WADA and the rest of their ilk are fully aware of of the limits that one rider can dominate a field where the margins of superiority are quite small. I'm sure there is a lot of midnight oil burning in their offices trying to figure out what is going on.

    Plus ... trust Russians at your own risk
    It wasn't beyond good. He put 1'12" into a guy who was in a break the whole day on Wednesday (and admitted he was feeling bad on Hautacam) and came 6th in the Giro earlier this season. On two other mtn stages he couldn't drop J-C Peraud, who's a great rider but not one of the very best climbers in the world.

    And the fact that he won 4 road stages which hasn't been done by a yellow jersey since Merckx is more about attitude than anything else. Of course some winners - like Sastre or Evans - wouldn't have been able to do it. But for example Indurain and Contador like gifting stages; in their best Tours they could've won four had they wanted.

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    I guess there is no reason to talk about gearing since they all run very similar stuff. But could Nibali's gear setup be working for him a little better. I'm not seeing much mashing from him during the climbs. I can't say the same for the rest of the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
    Inconceivable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seypat View Post
    I guess there is no reason to talk about gearing since they all run very similar stuff. But could Nibali's gear setup be working for him a little better. I'm not seeing much mashing from him during the climbs. I can't say the same for the rest of the field.
    I noticed that also.

    He has rarely been out of the saddle no matter how difficult the climb gets. Completely the opposite of Contador, who is always "dancing on the pedals" to quote Phil. Froome and Tj don't mash to much either. But I think it is more a style thing than a gear issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seypat View Post
    I guess there is no reason to talk about gearing since they all run very similar stuff. But could Nibali's gear setup be working for him a little better. I'm not seeing much mashing from him during the climbs. I can't say the same for the rest of the field.
    Must be that Campy stuff giving him the boost.
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