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    Tour de France 2014 - Stage 20, July 26

    So we're into the Time Trial today, the one and only in this TDF.

    It's a long one at 54 k, and there is a lot at stake for 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Pinot will be looking to fend off Valverde and Peraud to keep 2nd. I'm not sure what kind of TT riders these top 3 riders are, but I think Van Garderen is the best of the top 5 GC contenders. A really good ride could get him into 4th.

    This is one important TT!
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    Whoa!

    Tony Martin is one flippin animal in the TT's! He has blown away the field so far.

    The Germans really have a lot to be proud of this year, with Kittel, Greipel, Martin and Voight in the TDF, winning the World Cup and Rosburg killing it in Formula 1.
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    Valverde falling off the pace, while the Frenchmen look very strong.

    TJ is looking very strong to, and is closing in a possible 5th place finish.

    Nibali! Smoking it so far! Right up there with TJ's time.

    Can't see anyone beating Martin...
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    Mollema embarrassing himself. Konig doing a good ride and looks like jumping up to 7th, which will be a great result for Netapp.

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    After attacking and destroying the top climbers, Nibali is now a top 5 trialist...

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    What's going on with AG2R wheels ?
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    One of the most exciting TT's in quite sometime IMHO.

    There was a lot on the line and all the top riders really poured it on.

    Tony Martin takes it, but the surprise is Nibali who looked extremely smooth and comes in 4th, TJ comes in 6th and moves into 5th overall. Pinot 12th, but drops to 3rd overall. Valverdi misses the podium and will come in 4th overall.

    Good for the French who will put two riders on the podium tomorrow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    What's going on with AG2R wheels ?
    It's not the wheels. They are probably using super light duty track TT tires.
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    Bardet loses a top five to van Garderen by 2 seconds. That was a costly puncture in the final kms. Was it coincidence that both punctures were for Ag2r riders?

    Two French podium places. Valverde hadn't got it in the legs.

    Nibali wins that final missing grand tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    It's not the wheels. They are probably using super light duty track TT tires.
    Aren't pro-tour bikes already at the UCI weight limit ? Do they need to save weight in the tires ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Aren't pro-tour bikes already at the UCI weight limit ? Do they need to save weight in the tires ?
    They are trying to reduce rotational inertia at the outer radius of the wheels. Also, there are less energy losses and rolling resistance in thin tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    Bardet loses a top five to van Garderen by 2 seconds. That was a costly puncture in the final kms. Was it coincidence that both punctures were for Ag2r riders?
    Conspiracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caretaker View Post
    Bardet loses a top five to van Garderen by 2 seconds.
    Sucks. But hey, Top Six!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dstrong View Post
    Conspiracy!
    I don't thing he was suggesting a conspiracy but rather, something about the tires used. Cycling isn't without its conspiracies. team doping comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dm83 View Post
    After attacking and destroying the top climbers, Nibali is now a top 5 trialist...
    Before we get into the "He's so completely dominant it's amazing" or "he can only be this dominant if he's doping," let's be clear that just as he wasn't beating Froome, Contador or Quintana in the mountains, he wasn't beating Froome, Wiggins, Millar or Cancellara in the TT today. He's a decent TT rider anyway, and he beat TJ by a whopping 10 seconds. We've seen plenty of climbers with no TT record produce the goods in the yellow jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
    Pinot will be looking to fend off Valverde and Peraud to keep 2nd. I'm not sure what kind of TT riders these top 3 riders are, but I think Van Garderen is the best of the top 5 GC contenders.
    Just as I thought somewhere in another thread, Van Garderen may be best of those 5 but too far back for the Podium. And 37 yr old Peraud would have the best legs for the TT to pass the French climber, Pinot. He was only 19 seconds off of Van Garderen.

    I'll probably be tarred and feathered for saying it but I'm kinda glad to see the race turn out like it has if the Frenchmen can keep their podium spots into Paris. As someone who guessed right early on about the past doping in USPS I'm glad for Peraud, best young rider Pinot and Bardet.

    Garmin-Sharp won their stage yesterday and I'm stoked enough with that.
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    I have three equipment questions:

    1-> I wonder if Tony Martin was the only guy to switch to clinchers from tubulars for the TT

    2-> The announcers talked about a lot of riders w/ nothing to gain or lose having a main goal of not wearing themselves out too much and just beating the elimination time. I guess anyone in the top 10 or 20 who didn't want to lose position would be working hard, and ag2r protecting their lead in the team standings would want to go all out. But why wouldn't the rest of them just ride road bikes if they really had 15 minutes to play with, as the announcers were saying? I am sure the sponsorship deals required them to use the right tool for the job (their TT frame), but still, I was just wondering about that. Christian VDV talked about Ramunas Navardauskas riding a road bike when Garmin was practicing team TTs presumably so he wouldn't blow the other guys away. Of course he used a TT bike for the actual event though.

    3-> when I bike commute I want tires that won't flat much, because I really need to keep a reliable schedule. So for the guys in GC spots 2-6 who didn't want to lose ground, why would they use tires prone to flatting? Fortunately JC Piraud overcame his flat to still move up to #2 , but Romain Bardet lost his spot to TJ because of a poorly timed flat. What if he rode marathon supremes that weighed 100g more than whatever he was using, but didn't cost him time getting a wheel changed? Or even a fancy-schmancy race-specific tire that only weighed 30-60g more than the tires that let him down but was more reliable on the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dm83 View Post
    After attacking and destroying the top climbers, Nibali is now a top 5 trialist...
    Last year when he won the Giro, he was 4th in the time trial which was 54.8km. He finished 11 seconds back on Bradley Wiggins and 21 seconds back on the winner. Yeah he is a top 5 time trialist. So do some research before spouting off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    2-> The announcers talked about a lot of riders w/ nothing to gain or lose having a main goal of not wearing themselves out too much and just beating the elimination time. I guess anyone in the top 10 or 20 who didn't want to lose position would be working hard, and ag2r protecting their lead in the team standings would want to go all out. But why wouldn't the rest of them just ride road bikes if they really had 15 minutes to play with, as the announcers were saying? I am sure the sponsorship deals required them to use the right tool for the job (their TT frame), but still, I was just wondering about that. Christian VDV talked about Ramunas Navardauskas riding a road bike when Garmin was practicing team TTs presumably so he wouldn't blow the other guys away. Of course he used a TT bike for the actual event though.
    They had the safety of knowing that finishing 15 minutes behind Martin wouldn't see them eliminated, but not the safety of knowing that cruising around the course on a road bike would see them within 15 of Martin's time. For the sprinters like Marcel Kittel or Andre Greipel, knowing that they wanted to be as close as possible to 100% the next day, and that they had to finish the TT in under 1hr 15-20', the lower wattage required to achieve that 75-80 minute time would have meant energy saved for the Champs Elysees.

    Alessandro De Marchi did ride a road bike, for whatever reason. He finished 142nd on the day (Kittel 145th, Kristoff 87th, Greipel 130th).

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    Turns out Sky had a special Jag to follow the special bikes in the TT:



    The solution they reached was to replace the rear window with a large piece of carbon fiber molded to hold two bikes and two spare wheels, more than enough spare gear to support any rider in a time trial. As with the larger racks, the bikes were fixed in place with quick release clamps. But continuing on the car’s theme, they were also made from carbon fiber, rather than steel.

    The result, Mr. Nevinson said, was a net weight reduction for the car, because the carbon fiber weighed less than the glass it replaced. It was also, unfortunately, totally opaque. So a video system was installed, with a monitor mounted on the windshield.

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