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    Was Pantani Murdered?

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    Il Pirata's mother produces new evidence regarding cocaine-related death

    The public prosecutor in Rimini, Italy, has re-opened the case into the 2004 death of Marco Pantani, following the gathering of new evidence by a private investigator hired by Pantani's parents. An initial autopsy and investigation suggested that his death was caused by an apparently accidental cocaine overdose. Now, Pantani's mother Tonina claims he was murdered and a Rimini magistrate has been ordered to investigate the new allegations.

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    According to a new private investigation document submitted to police, Pantani was said to have been forced to drink cocaine mixed with water after being held to the ground. The amount of cocaine found in his body is alleged to have been so high that there was no other way he could have induced it. A half-empty bottle can be seen in photos of the scene, but the bottle was apparently never tested for fingerprints nor were its contents checked.
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    After the whole Amanda Knox debacle, Italy's justice system is laughable at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colombo357 View Post
    After the whole Amanda Knox debacle, Italy's justice system is laughable at best.
    Agreed!

    Hard to believe that a modern, western nation like Italy could have a justice system that is such a mess.

    They didn't check a bottle at the scene for prints or contents? Goodness, that's just crime scene investigation 101, but we saw that type of carelessness in the Amanda Knox case to.

    What would have been the motive for such a dastardly deed?
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    If the scenario is true, that Pantani was murdered, what's the motive?
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    I have an acquaintance whose daughter died of a drug overdose. He said he believes someone injected her with the drugs and killed her. Sometimes I think it's just too much for a parent to bare the thought of their own child killing themselves, even by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    If the scenario is true, that Pantani was murdered, what's the motive?
    They'll probably say Armstrong did it.
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    first coppi, then pantani. nibbles better keep his wits about him...
    i'd rather be alive wrong than dead right

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLBroox View Post
    I have an acquaintance whose daughter died of a drug overdose. He said he believes someone injected her with the drugs and killed her. Sometimes I think it's just too much for a parent to bare the thought of their own child killing themselves, even by accident.
    This.

    I had a HS friend with a drug problem who either passed out in a closed garage with his car running and the driver's door open, or he took himself out after having lost marriage, home and everything. I tend to think the latter after having talked to him a couple of weeks earlier.

    Parents refuse to believe suicide and prefer suspecting a murder.
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    I am sure it happened exactly the way Pantani's parents think, and I am sure there is a French lab somewhere that still has that bottle. They will come forward here shortly and let us know that they have used some obscure and never before heard of test to prove that it was Lance Armstrong forcing him to dope...errr...take the dose of cocaine. Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis will come forward shortly thereafter to let us know that Lance once tried to force them to take cocaine as well and that they were too moral and upright to stoop to such a thing.

    This is just more of the pattern...Nearly all of the famous European heroes of cycling had their own black marks against them...Merckx was a proven doper, Pantani died of a drug overdose, etc...but the Europeans find a way to rehabilitate their legacies and absolve them of their sins so that they can continue to adore them. "Merckx doping? Well of course he did...everybody did it back then!" "Pantani died of a drug overdose? Well of course...only because he was forced to ingest the drugs!" But an American...no chance for redemption; "Lance was a doper...Out with him! Banish his name from the records forever! Not because he doped...everybody was still doing that...but because he was an a-hole about it!"

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    I'm not a doctor, nor a forensic expert, but I tend to think that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to force water down the throat of a person who was resisting swallowing it. The gag reflex would kick in, and he'd sputter, with the liquid going all over the place. Undoubtedly, he'd swallow some of it, but not enough to be fatal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mprelaw View Post
    I'm not a doctor, nor a forensic expert, but I tend to think that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to force water down the throat of a person who was resisting swallowing it. The gag reflex would kick in, and he'd sputter, with the liquid going all over the place. Undoubtedly, he'd swallow some of it, but not enough to be fatal.
    Easily enough to be fatal.

    But no signs of a struggle is doubtful.

    I suspect it was Lance. Lance went out drinking with hi at a bar with overly salted peanuts (even by bar standards). He then made sure the premixed spiked water was the only source of fluids at Pantini's. Lance himself never actually entered the domicile, that was done by one of his mignons.

    Lance is really devious.

    It all makes perfect sense. With Pantini around Lance would never have won both Yellow and Polka dot in a single Tour!

    Oh Cr*p, just realized Lance not only never won both he never even tried.
    Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.

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    I love this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprelaw View Post
    I'm not a doctor, nor a forensic expert, but I tend to think that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to force water down the throat of a person who was resisting swallowing it. The gag reflex would kick in, and he'd sputter, with the liquid going all over the place. Undoubtedly, he'd swallow some of it, but not enough to be fatal.
    You don't think the cocaine could numb that?
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    In the early evening of 14 February 2004, Pantani was found dead at a hotel in Rimini, Italy. An autopsy revealed he had a cerebral edema and heart failure, and a coroner's inquest revealed acute cocaine poisoning. Pantani spent the last days of his life isolated from his friends and family and barricaded himself inside his hotel room.[35][36] Pantani's ex-girlfriend Christina Jonsson, in an April 2004 interview to Swiss news magazine L'Hebdo, indicated that following his expulsion from the 1999 Giro d'Italia, Pantani had confessed to her he had started using cocaine.[37] In 2008, Fabio Carlino was convicted of supplying Pantani with a dose of ultra-pure cocaine that caused his death. The conviction was overturned in 2011 by the Court of Cassation after the acting Prosecutor expressed doubts regarding the verdict, while stating that he “had the impression that the exaggerated media publicity surrounding Mr. Pantani's death led the judges to an excessive attribution of responsibility”.[38]

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    Man convicted of supplying Marco Pantani with fatal dose of cocaine wins appeal

    "Pantani’s family, however, condemned today’s verdict, with his mother Tonina Belletti claiming: "It's a disgrace, there's no justice; in fact yet another injustice has been done, what happened is beyond belief.

    “There's no justice here, in Italy you can ruin people and then get away with it. We were sure of winning, but I'm not giving up.

    “There are things about the whole business that defy explanation, and there's a tremendous sadness in my heart.”

    The cyclist’s father, Paolo, hinted that he believed the true facts behind his son’s death were the subject of a cover-up.

    “First they destroyed Marco and now they want to destroy us too,” he insisted. “It's obvious that behind this tragedy there's something murky. Things like this shouldn't happen.

    “Everyone knows what really happened, everyone knows who's responsible for our son's death, but we can't get justice. In this country a lot of things are wrong, and our case is one of them.

    “But I'm not letting go, Marco's there to help us,” he maintained. “He's giving us strength, from up there.”


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    OT: I recently saw the movie "Pantani," it was good.

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    The easiest way to kill anyone with a coke habit is to show up with enough high grade stuff to kill a horse, and line it out for him. It's almost a guarantee that he'll snort the whole load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
    Easily enough to be fatal.

    Lance himself never actually entered the domicile, that was done by one of his mignons.


    Was it one of his Filet mignons? Was it grilled by one of his MINIONS?

    Just having a little fun with the wrong word.

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    It was a miracle Pantani lasted as long as he did. He was a train wreck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modelmartin View Post
    Was it one of his Filet mignons? Was it grilled by one of his MINIONS?

    Just having a little fun with the wrong word.
    I think it was Laurent...

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    The Pirate still lives! God I miss the drug cycling days. Now they just fall off there bikes and it's over. Boring tour. Bring back the drugs like the NFL, NBA, and all of the other boring American sports still have. Heck, they even have murders and *******. What's happened to our beloved cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modelmartin View Post
    Was it one of his Filet mignons? Was it grilled by one of his MINIONS?

    Just having a little fun with the wrong word.

    Steak? Maybe it was Contador.

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    I miss Marco, and the pre-helmet days in general.

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    Riders threw better punches in the pre-helmet days, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mprelaw View Post
    Riders threw better punches in the pre-helmet days, too.
    Hinault punch - YouTube
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    That amateurish wind up would get him a left hook from anyone who knew how to use one. Marcel Cerdan he ain't. Phil Anderson, on the other hand, might be a problem.
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