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    Dirty Kanza 2015: Local Insight? Is it going to happen this year?

    I see the weather reports from Emporia. Lots of river and creek and flat ground flooding. Is the race going to be real this year? You hate to burn a 28-hour round trip and most of your annual cycling budget if the race is going to end up being a muddy, boggy non-race. (Regardless of the spin, traveling to Trans Iowa had to . . . be a bummer this year.)

    Any local insight? Is DK going to happen? Is it going to be a pure mud bog race?

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    Heard reports of road flooding. KC has been hit pretty much constantly with rain over the last few weeks. Not going to be pretty.

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    'Just checked the weather of Emporia for the next 10 days.. 60% chance of rain this coming saturday.. looks like we're into something nasty trail.. seems like dust and heat of the sun is everybody's wish.

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    And yes.. DK will surely happen.

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    I live about an hour drive from emporia...all the rivers are full and reservoirs are filling up their flood control pools.

    Thunderstorms are moving past as I type. It'll be muddy.

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    It appears to be a GREAT route this year. I hope it dries enough to take muck out of the equation.

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    Forecast for Saturday is clearing up, at least. Should be muddy, but chance of rain on race day is dropping significantly.

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    Race officials posted yesterday that alternate routes are planned if necessary. The race will go on, this is adventure cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planemaker View Post
    Race officials posted yesterday that alternate routes are planned if necessary. The race will go on, this is adventure cycling.
    True enough. But after this year's Trans Iowa (only one rider made the time cut to the first checkpoint, zero made it to the second), those who are traveling some distance generally want to make sure it's going to be a 200-mile race and not a 20-mile frolic in the mud. When a race costs more than a tank of gas to attend, these things become more important.

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    It will probably be a muddy nasty mess but the race will go on it seems.

    This was posted on their facebook page.

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    News Flash... Contrary to Popular Belief, Emporia, KS has NOT been washed off the face of the earth!!!
    Yes, we've seen the same pictures you have showing all the flooding around the Flint Hills. And yes, we currently can't even get out of town to the south, due to the roads being under water. But hey, folks... we'll let you in on a secret... We have a CONTINGENCY PLAN! Actually, we have several. If the Cottonwood River south of town floods... we have a plan for that. If the Neosho River north of town floods... we have a plan for that too. So everybody please... CHILL OUT!!!
    As promised, we will release course maps in the morning. If you are pre-registered for DK200, DK100, or DK Lite, you will receive an email from us with links to the maps. If all goes to plan, these will be the routes. If we get enough rain between now and race day to cause a problem, we'll enact one of our many contingency plans, based on the situation at hand.
    But one thing you can be sure of... any way you cut it, next weekend is going to be AWESOME!!!"

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    Yes, it'll happen no doubt. Local weather has it clearing up Saturday with the sun coming out in the afternoon.

    I'll be there mid day tomorrow getting checked/settled in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
    True enough. But after this year's Trans Iowa (only one rider made the time cut to the first checkpoint, zero made it to the second), those who are traveling some distance generally want to make sure it's going to be a 200-mile race and not a 20-mile frolic in the mud. When a race costs more than a tank of gas to attend, these things become more important.
    Wow. A friend of mine had done it this year, and mentioned not making the first checkpoint in time -- I had no idea that it was that bad!
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    There's no such thing as too far.. just lack of time
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    It really depends on the character of the roads. A buddy of mine also DNF'd on the Trans Iowa, and from the pics he sent me, I can't blame him one bit. However, the Trans Iowa roads are really dirt - not gravel - and have a base of clay and silt. Roads like that are fine in the dry but turn to pure slop when it really rains.

    Down here in southern Missouri, our gravel tolerates rain pretty well - the roads are well-drained, and it takes a LOT of rain to make them a truly muddy mess.

    I'm not sure what those Kansas roads are like, but if they are actual gravel (not dirt), they could be fine even after a lot of rain.

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    Maybe they need to start "grading on a curve" or something -- if things are really going bad, fudge the cut-off times to allow 5 people or so. OTOH, maybe that would just prolong the inevitable.
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    Who actually rode and who finished.

    I myself rode the DK100 and it was a very tough ride. The ride included a 3 mile walk through ankle deep mud. I had a great time and would do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planemaker View Post
    Who actually rode and who finished.

    I myself rode the DK100 and it was a very tough ride. The ride included a 3 mile walk through ankle deep mud. I had a great time and would do it again.
    I didn't finish the 100. Upper body/back wasn't prepared for 2-3 hours of carrying the bike in addition to the ride itself. Redemption next year.

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    I didnt finished either.. Registered for half pint but the 3 mile long Mud was brutal. All of my friends were dropping like flies after it. Whenever there 's a climb everybody ended up walking.

    Next year i swear to leave a friend behind..lol
    BTW here's what the 3mile walk looked like.

    Credit to the owner of the photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick 13330 View Post
    I didnt finished either.. Registered for half pint but the 3 mile long Mud was brutal. All of my friends were dropping like flies after it. Whenever there 's a climb everybody ended up walking.

    Next year i swear to leave a friend behind..lol
    BTW here's what the 3mile walk looked like.

    Credit to the owner of the photo.
    I like it; it makes Paris Roubaix look like a walk in the park . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
    I like it; it makes Paris Roubaix look like a walk in the park . . . .
    You have no idea how brutal it is.. A guy has salsa vaya bike but instead brought a fatboy to the race just to quit 50 yards at the beginning of the mud. He cant carry or even push his bike cos of the sticky mud.
    people crossing barb wires and fences so they could roll the wheels on grass.

    Talks around that Finally the organizer lived up to the true reason why they named it Dirty Kanza..LOL

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    Yeah that's a great pic. The guys carrying their bikes up on the grass embankment next to the road tells you how awful the road conditions had to be.

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    I rode the DK200. It was "character building" at times. Missed beating the sun by a half hour, finished in 15:10:45. Even with those conditions, I'd do it again, in a heartbeat. There were some dark moments and there were some light moments. I had never raced anything past the typical 100 mile MTB races, so this was something new to me. Awesome adventure!

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    Good for you.. It was my first to join such a race(im just an immigrant) though i didnt finish the HP. 'Am planning to enter the 200 next June..ALONE.


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    It was a day for the "hard men" (and women). I've got two bad shoulders, so carrying wasn't a good idea. The first 3-mile mud patch (pictured in the previous post) was the kind of mud that creates a suction and pulls your shoes off. I didn't lose a shoe, but my toe covers are buried somewhere in that stretch. If you put your bike down, the mud would jam forward progres in the time it took the bottom of your wheel to roll around to your fork. In fact, the mud was so sticky that I glimpsed at my Garmin and saw that I was carrying with my heart rate above anaerobic threshold at one point. Burned most of my matches there, of all places. And one of my favorite encounters of the race was on that stretch when I stepped down off the fence row and almost onto a missasauga (sp?) rattlesnake.

    For me, it was (1) my first gravel race, (2) my longest ride or race of any kind, by 55 miles, and (3) ovr double my biggest day of climbing. At the second checkpoint -- 158 miles -- I couldn't feel my hands, they were very weak, my vision was getting blurry, and I wasn't sure I could lift the bike to make it through another mud bog. I was sure there was likely at least one more mud bog. So, DNF.

    I have to say, though, that the biggest surprise for me wasn't the gravel or mud -- it was the rocks. Lots of stretches (usually descents or climbs) where you could not avoid dealing with bowling ball- and larger-sized jagged rocks. Between the sticky mud and the big rocks, the course kicked my buttocks.

    I will be back.
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    Finished. 17:49. Much, much slower than I expected. I had trained for beating the sun but the mud sunk that plan. One pinch flat, but I was bombing down a hill that I should've known better and hit a rut.

    Really pleased with the decision to use an 11-36 cassette. I didn't have to walk any hills (other than the muddy ones).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksryder View Post
    Finished. 17:49. Much, much slower than I expected. I had trained for beating the sun but the mud sunk that plan. One pinch flat, but I was bombing down a hill that I should've known better and hit a rut.

    Really pleased with the decision to use an 11-36 cassette. I didn't have to walk any hills (other than the muddy ones).
    What rear derailleur did you use? Did you have any shifting problems?

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