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Lets Talk Tires!
So a few of us in this forum are converting hybrids to gravel bikes that ride on some loose gravel and hard pack dirt and need advice on tires.
a. What are the widest tires that can safely mount on traditional road rims. Wide is important as many hybrids are not steel so will need wide tires to absorb vibration.
b. What is an inexpensive gravel tire we can put on our hybrids to test out gravel riding
c. What does a gravel specific tire get us over 28mm Kenda Kwest style tires. Lets face it. We all have a spare set of those in the garage that came with our first bikes.
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a. What are the widest tires that can safely mount on traditional road rims. Wide is important as many hybrids are not steel so will need wide tires to absorb vibration.
b. What is an inexpensive gravel tire we can put on our hybrids to test out gravel riding
c. What does a gravel specific tire get us over 28mm Kenda Kwest style tires. Lets face it. We all have a spare set of those in the garage that came with our first bikes.
Thanks!
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Gravel marketed tires are typically going to be wider and have more pronounced tread than something like a Kenda Kwest. Depending on where and how you ride, this may or may not matter so much. There really isn't a consensus on what a gravel tire should look like.
I don't know what the widest tire that can be mounted on a standard road rim would be, but I've used the WTB Nano's (labeled at 40mm) on standard rims with no issues.
I don't know what the widest tire that can be mounted on a standard road rim would be, but I've used the WTB Nano's (labeled at 40mm) on standard rims with no issues.
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I've seen people stuff small 29er tires in some hybrids to basically make a light duty mtb. Just depends on what your roads or trails are like. I use 700x30 Challenge Bianca Strada on my Cannondale H400. These originally came with 38mm tires so I can stuff some decent rubber between the stays. Though I like the Challenges and don't really need something aggressive for the stuff I ride on. Heck I've rode my Paramount that can only fit a 25mm tire and survived on back roads with signs that say "Impassable Road".
Alot of hybrids came in steel as when I think of hybrids it's the first material that comes to mind. Only a few companies were using aluminum when bikes termed "hybrids" were made. Honestly the whole "gravel bike" term seems really overused nowadays. I guess they've already used hybrids and gravel or all road seem more with the times.
Alot of hybrids came in steel as when I think of hybrids it's the first material that comes to mind. Only a few companies were using aluminum when bikes termed "hybrids" were made. Honestly the whole "gravel bike" term seems really overused nowadays. I guess they've already used hybrids and gravel or all road seem more with the times.
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There is no "standard" road rim. Rims come in many different widths designed for different uses. So, it's really not possible to answer that part of your question. You'd need to know what rim you are using and check what the manufacturer recommends as the widest tire you can safely spoon into the rim.
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There is no "standard" road rim. Rims come in many different widths designed for different uses. So, it's really not possible to answer that part of your question. You'd need to know what rim you are using and check what the manufacturer recommends as the widest tire you can safely spoon into the rim.
Thanks for the input. The bike I am converting has v-brakes so I can fit in nice big tires. These are the Kenda Kwest's I have the K193 (28mm version) it has some thread on it https://www.amazon.com/Kenda-KWest-K1.../dp/B00IEZI4ME
If I'm riding hard packed dirt and shallow gravel would these suffice or should I get something different in terms of:
i) Thread
ii) Width.
iii) Max PSI (Kwest are 50 recommended 85 max).
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I've ordered Gravelkings in 32mm. Panaracer: Professional Bicycle Tires| Road May be awhile before I can give a review. Not relevant, but I like the 28s on a road bike. Making sure that a bicycle tire will fit the rim Here's the standard link for tire/rim sizing.
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I'm running 32mm Gravel Kings also on some mid 80's Wolber Alpines without issues but it's a wider box rim but there are some road rims I wouldn't mount anything bigger then a 28 on. I don't think it's so much an issue if your not an aggressive rider who doesn't throw their bike around when they ride. You can mount almost any size 700c tire on a matching rim but it's the fear of rolling that tire. You don't really want that hour glass look on your tire/rim combo.
With the current trend of rim manufacturers going wider I don't see much of an issue but it's those narrow rims you see on quality rims from the 80's and 90s. I've got some NOS tubular Matrix ISO rims I wouldn't dare put anything bigger then a 25 because of how narrow they are. But now I'm judging apples to oranges. Lol.
With the current trend of rim manufacturers going wider I don't see much of an issue but it's those narrow rims you see on quality rims from the 80's and 90s. I've got some NOS tubular Matrix ISO rims I wouldn't dare put anything bigger then a 25 because of how narrow they are. But now I'm judging apples to oranges. Lol.
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Continental SpeedRide's are $30 a tire, come in either 700x42 or 700x35 (note that the 35's may be labeled as "Cylcocross Speed" but they are identical to the SpeedRide), and are excellent on gravel, pavement, and hard-packed dry/moist dirt. They would be perfect for a mixed-terrain bike, and are an absolute bargain.
I have mounted them on Shimano RS10 wheels (19 mm outside width, I believe) with no issues, for the 42c version of the tire.
I have mounted them on Shimano RS10 wheels (19 mm outside width, I believe) with no issues, for the 42c version of the tire.
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i rode a gravel race with the Conti SpeedRide. it was on the rear. IIRC, i had it at ~55 psi (i did NOT want any pinch flats and i wanted to roll quickly on the paved portion of the race). it worked well even through some pretty sticky mud. wasn't great on muddy climbs but what the hell, it's a file tread. on the hard pack and rock gravel it rolled good enough and only in some extreme conditions, did i feel like i was going to lose control or grip.
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Thanks being riding the kwests and they are great on loose gravel with a hard base, grass and packed dirt.Not so good on sand.
On a related note i road a bmx bike on fine dirt with a hard base and noticed the bike hydra planing almost I.e. slipping until the base was hit. Is that a symptom of too wide or too narrow tires.
On a related note i road a bmx bike on fine dirt with a hard base and noticed the bike hydra planing almost I.e. slipping until the base was hit. Is that a symptom of too wide or too narrow tires.
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Continental SpeedRide's are $30 a tire, come in either 700x42 or 700x35 (note that the 35's may be labeled as "Cylcocross Speed" but they are identical to the SpeedRide), and are excellent on gravel, pavement, and hard-packed dry/moist dirt. They would be perfect for a mixed-terrain bike, and are an absolute bargain.
The Duremes are great tires, but they were discontinued over 3 years ago. There may be a few old stock models floating around, but they're practically collector's items with prices to match.
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Thanks, but those are the double-carcass models (designed for tandems). They're durable, but heavier and less supple than the original models.
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They hold up well on my gravel road bike. I don't have a problem with the ride quality even though they are marked for tandems. A pair of high quality folding bead tires was just what I was looking for and their performance on the road and on trails has been superb.
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rode the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on a 32 mile gravel/rode group ride today. at 60 psi, they roll fast. i was pleasantly surprised how well they gripped too. riding the gravel portions of the ride where effortless as they adsorbed alot of the small pebbles. the only time i felt the back end get loose was in some deep gravel and at that point, any tire would perform the same way.
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I've got a couple of rides on my 32mm Gravel Kings and enjoy them so far. Plus their pretty reasonable for a folding bead and 126 tpi tire at about $30 per tire from a most places. Check the Bikesmiths on eBay because I picked up them up for $56 shipped for the pair. I paid about that much for one Challenge Bianca Strada earlier this year but is a handmade tire also.
I also ordered a pair of Kenda Happy Medium's for 60 shipped from Jenson USA as they have free shipping for any order over $50 and a decent selection of tires your looking for cheap.
I also ordered a pair of Kenda Happy Medium's for 60 shipped from Jenson USA as they have free shipping for any order over $50 and a decent selection of tires your looking for cheap.
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Let me tag my question on here, since it's related. My "standard" bike has been a Raleigh Sojourn. If you're not familiar with it, it's a steel-frame disc-brake bike that comes stock with 700c35 tires and fenders. (Currently running 32 mm Gatorskins) The significance of the fenders being that you can remove them and go up bigger on the tires. This brings up the question above, "How wide can you go with road wheels?" In my case, rear is a Chukker, front is a Velocity Deep V, and I don't see that Velocity lists any maximum tire size on the website. And, the more critical thing, what I'm thinking is just running the bike on gravel roads- not racing, not mountainbiking, just public roads in the boonies that happen to be gravel (and sand and mud, as these things go) instead of paved. Recommended tire size and type for that is?
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