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    It's the fight in the man Rich's Avatar
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    Hope this isn't too geeky...but what do you reckon would be the best cross bike if you had unlimited money??

    For me, it would have to be a Merlin Titanium cross bike with Spinergy wheels and Dura Ace kit...flite saddle ofcourse!!!

    Rich

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    guess i don't dream as big...
    i'd pick either a steelman eurocross or an IF planet x(painted ORANGE of course). parts? whatever i can get for free/cheap.

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    I would love to have unlimited money so I could do something excentric with the frame and wheels. Probably top-alu or 6/4 ti frame, and carbon tubular wheels.

    I'm about to start getting parts for my first real crosser, built around a custom alu frame, the Duratec Rebel S5. Check out http://www.duratec.cz Unfortunately there's no pic of the cross-frame, I do have one sent from the distributor.
    These guys make top-quality frames at eastern prizes. All frame are made up of 7020 tubes from AluSuisse.
    The distributor in Holland is offering the first 100 frames directly to consumors, at some 35% discount over shopprizes. To give you an idea : my full-custom frame with my name on it (literally), will cost me some 400 Euro's.

    It will be 56 cm (48,5 c-c) seattube and 60cm toptube, like a mtb yes. I am different (tall), I carry my bike under the saddle and I get off by throwing my leg over the top-tube.

    The gruppo will be something very exotic, I choose everything part-by-part, for prize, function and weight. Probably a single chainring to asve weight and prevent chain-troubles.
    The bike is supposed to be under both 8 kgs and 3000 euro's, so no carbon rims for me yet.. :-(
    I will use a few things from bikes I don't use in winter to cut costs where possible.

    I'll tell you what came from this dream after next season's Super Prestige!

    Keep dreaming, some things are obtainable...

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    Ultimate X-Bike

    I've just gone out and foolishly bought my first cyclo-x machine:

    Roberts Compact (UK custom builder) - with some rack bosses for a little touring!!
    Daytona Ergo - 46/39T with 13-28 block (I need the low gearing)
    ITM Millenium bars and stem
    Mavics CPX33
    and some really cool Frogg Leg cantis with additional levers in the centre of the bars

    What a blast!! My lungs keep packing in though :-))

    Bazza

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    I too was in search of the ULTIMATE cyclocross bike. But the thing that held me up was the fame. Not the materials but the details in which it was made. The solution was to start my own company and now its a reality. Rich the ultimate cyclocross frame is at www.sibexbikes.com its call the "cossack". the entire frame and fork is out of Ti ! Now my dream bike is reality and is the standard for the company. Have a good season!

    Scott:

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    Originally posted by cyclocrossmares
    I too was in search of the ULTIMATE cyclocross bike. But the thing that held me up was the fame. Not the materials but the details in which it was made. The solution was to start my own company and now its a reality. Rich the ultimate cyclocross frame is at www.sibexbikes.com its call the "cossack". the entire frame and fork is out of Ti ! Now my dream bike is reality and is the standard for the company. Have a good season!

    Scott:
    Hi Scott,

    Welcome to the forums ...that sure is one sexy bike! I recently purchased a second hand Alan Cross bike...quite big in Europe...dunno if you've heard of them?..It's an Alloy handbuilt frameset, with Shimano 105 groupset...can't wait to race it this season.

    Whats the racing like in the States? In the UK where I'm based, it can turn pretty nasty with mud, then the next weekend, it could be frozen solid with frost...hehe..must be mad eh?

    Take it easy, and you too have a good season!

    Rich (Now back from Malta!)
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    Hmmm. Here are my 2 cents:

    An exotic, high-end bike is nice but not in Cyclo-Cross, unless you use the bike for "something different on the road".

    Pro's (Belgium/Holland) hardly use any titanium or other exotic frames or components. Just a good Alu frame and either Record or Dura-Ace, Spooky or Empella brakes. The only exotic parts of the bikes of the top aces are carbon rims to het some light yet stiff wheels.

    The prices of their frames are not that high (which rules out titanium) as they use several frames a season (things break often in this sport). Besides that: in this sport you need at least three bikes. Two during the race and one road bike for training. Thus "ultimate money" would be used to get a set of three to four nice bikes instead of one ultimate bike.

    Cheers,
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    To tell the truth, I find Ti a little springy for my taste. I haven't ridden a ti frame off road, but having tried friends' bikes on the road, I think it migh be a bit spongy for me.

    I suppose I'd like some kind of high-end steel [foco?] or even high-end aluminum. So fart, I've been very impressed by the feel of the Easton ultralight of my cross bike. It's a VERY comfortable aluminum, especially compared to the M2 of my S-Works MTB.

    Frankly, I don't think I'd go all-out on the frame. The US$575 Empellas look good to me, as do some of the lighter steel frames. I'd probably splurge on components, going with 9-speed Chorus [I'm unsupported, so no 10-speed and no carbon shifters, thank you very much], and build up the lightest bomb-proof wheels I could find [again, no CF and only exposed nipples, thank you very much].

    So... Maybe something like this...

    Steel: Independent Fabrication Planet Cross or Marinoni Fango with Chorus 9, 32-spoke [db] Mavic Open Pro rims laced to Record hubs, 3ttt Forgie stem, Bontrager Racelite CX bars, SI Flite saddle, Wound-Up CF fork...

    Alu: Empella Bonfire with most of the same stuff.
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    It's the fight in the man Rich's Avatar
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    Mmmm, sounds like a nice bike

    The Empella Cross bikes have a big following in the UK, though I've never ridden one to find out what all the fuss is about. I think if I had the cash, and was a little more serious in the sport, I'd go for a couple of well kitted out bikes, than an ultimate bike too.

    Like the idea of Campag equiped bikes...but would have to be tarty and have the carbon wheels to go with it

    Rich
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    Hmmm, the best 'cross bike? I've tried this and here's how it turned out: Cannondale 'Cross Frame (Inexpensive, Very Light, Lots of Rear Tire Clearance); Wound Up Fork; Dia Compe 987 Ti Canti's; Topline 172.5 Cranks w/Ti Bottom Bracket; 32-Hole Araya CTL 370 Rims Laced X3 to American Classic Hubs (240 Gram High Flange Rear Hub) Using Wheelsmith 15-17 Butted Spokes & Alloy Nipples; Sachs Quarz Ergo Shifter/Brake Handles and Front/Rear Derailleurs; Ritchey WCS Stem and Handlebars; Flite Ti Saddle; American Classic Ti Seatpost; ATAC Ti/Carbon Pedals; Stronglight Headset; 8-Speed Ti Cassette; 700x32 Ritchey Tires; and a Greenfield Kickstand w/Ti Bolt (I remove the kickstand when I'm racing!?). It's light, stable, and rugged.

    Mine may not be the "Best", but it's sure spiffy and a gas to ride.

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    It's the fight in the man Rich's Avatar
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    Hi Gruppo

    How much did it cost you to put that bike together!?! Somes like a wicked ride!

    Rich
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    Hello Rich -

    Thanks for the interest. My 'cross bike is pretty cool & unique and "how much did it cost?" is a good question. I'm woking on trying to figure it out (There was a lot of bartering, trade-outs, swap meets, etc., involved). So, like all my bikes, there's a story; and I'll send you a longer reply in the next couple of days that will contain some of the details and my recollection of the costs.

    gruppo...

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    I love a bike with a story! I first started out in Cross on a mountainbike, but thought that I'd try something a little more specific, and that's when I got my Sunn Cycloss.

    That bike was ok, but heavy...and it seemed everyone (well almost everyone) in the UK was riding an Alan Cross bike...well, I searched the net, and came across a 1997 model going pretty cheap.

    I travelled up to meet the guy and fell in love with the bike there and then....it came with 105 groupset and a cool red/silver anodised finish, though I'm thinking about taking off the red and just having plain silver.

    Cheers

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    It seems that every country has its traditional cross bikes. In the UK its Alan, here in Holland its Empella and in Belgium its Diamant.

    I like the appearal of the Alan frames, but they're a bit too 1980s for me. Back then Alan and Vitus with their glued Alu tubed frames were the standard in Alu frames, but they had way too much flex compared to steel frames. It wasn't before the early Cannondale 3.0 frames and ofcourse Klein, in the mid 80s that Alu became the material for the future.

    Just my 2 cents,
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    Rich, to make a short story long (And hopefully not too boring)...

    I planned to build up a "nice" 'cross bike over about a three year period while, like you, racing a mountain bike with drop bars, bar end shifters, and the narrowest (Is that a word?) 26" knobbies I could find. I got a Cannondale 'cross frame (Orange, of course) during one of their "trade in any old frame for a Cannondale frame" deals and paid about $300 for it. I built some wheels for a buddy for the fork (Maybe a $150 trade value - what do Round Up forks go for?); traded a Nuovo Record drivetrain for the Sachs Quarz Ergo stuff (About $250 value); built up the American Classic hubset/Araya rims/Wheelsmith 15-17 spokes/alloy nipples wheelset for maybe $400; got the Topline crankset on sale from Cambria Bicycle Outfitters for $50 (But it was anodoized blue, so I had it stripped at a chrome plating shop and polished at a custom car place - another $50 total); got the Dia Compe Ti brakes, Ti Seatpost, & Flite saddle at the VeloSwap in Denver for about $75; bought the handlebars, tires, chain, handlebar tape, Ti cassette, chainwheels, Ti bottom bracket, cables/housing, stem, kickstand, etc., at local bike shops for probably $400. So, based on my recollection and guesses, I'd say the bike cost me about $1,600 - $1,700, and took about a month of tinkering to assemble. It ended up weighing a little over 20 pounds and works & rides great. I'm sure I could have spent more or less, but I wouldn't have ended up with a unique, one of a kind custom. It was a neat project and I really enjoy riding it.

    It turns out that not only is it an excellent cyclocrosser (It's too bad I'm not), but it might be the perfect bike for much of the riding in the Idaho panhandle (Dirt/gravel roads, rough blacktop, backcountry logging & mining roads, ski area access roads, and even some of the singletrack - there's a bunch of 10 to 20 mile loops that have most or all of the described riding and a 'cross bike handles it just fine (From April to November you might encounter rain, snow, mud, water crossings, cold, and blue skies all on the same ride). I'm certainly not going to get rid of my road or mountain bikes, but it would be tough to get by without the versatility and fun of my 'cross bike (I just wish I'd got one sooner - I had a chance to get a celeste Bianchi 'cross bike years ago but didn't - what a bozo I was!).

    So, that's it. Good riding to you...

    Gruppo

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    why doesn't that link work for me? I also tried ibexbikes.com but that page is blank...


    Originally posted by cyclocrossmares
    I too was in search of the ULTIMATE cyclocross bike. But the thing that held me up was the fame. Not the materials but the details in which it was made. The solution was to start my own company and now its a reality. Rich the ultimate cyclocross frame is at www.sibexbikes.com its call the "cossack". the entire frame and fork is out of Ti ! Now my dream bike is reality and is the standard for the company. Have a good season!

    Scott:

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    I like the picture in this thread. Hot Italian Momma, the ultimate.
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