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Old 09-09-05, 01:32 PM   #1
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2003 lemond poprad

new to the forum, new to all things cyclocross, and i'm not a gearhead, so please forgive my ignorance if it glares... have finally tired of riding my $100 beater (an old falcon single speed) and am looking for a commuter, light trail and light touring bike all in one, which led me to CX. have been obsessing over the surly cross-check and lemond poprad, and the concensus from this forum seems to be that the poprad is the better bike out of the box. found a leftover 2003 poprad at a local shop that's marked down to $815, and i'm close to snatching it up. but i recall that 2003 was a bad year component-wise for the poprad (soma parts, maybe?). can anyone confirm and give me a vibe as to whether $815 for a new '03 sounds about right? will be using it as 80% commuter, 20% trail/tour, so i won't be beating the living hell out of it. cash is tight, so the extra $300 for the '06 poprad would be pretty painful...

anyhoo, advice appreciated.

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Old 09-09-05, 06:26 PM   #2
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Indeed, an '03 would/should be spec'd out with Shimano Sora.

I'd pay $815 if it was an '04 with 105 parts (and there seems to be no lack of people around here finding even '05s at or near this price--), but I wouldn't pay more than $600-ish for an "as new" '03 with Sora. JMHO, YMMV, etc.

Thought about used? Unless the bike's been raced frequently and heavily, there's not much to worry about with a steel frame. Theoretically, it should outlive us all.

I see many Cross-Checks and the occasional Poprad in what appear to be great condition on Ebay for sub-$800. You'd have to pick up boxing and shipping and whatnot, but the deals are out there.

Little Ebay trick: Lots of people misspell Poprad. See also: Proprad, Poprod, etc. Alternately, just search LeMond or Le Mond. Same deal with Surly.

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Old 09-11-05, 06:20 AM   #3
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I'd pay $815 if it was an '04 with 105 parts (and there seems to be no lack of people around here finding even '05s at or near this price--)

Do you know where people are finding '04 and '05 poprads for $800something? I am looking at getting an '05 and the most i could talk my LBS down to was to knock off $100 from the MSR price.

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I found my used '04 Poprad for $700 a few weeks ago. It has an Ultegra crank and rear derailer, and a 105 front derailer. It also came with a computer, upgraded seat, upgraded front brakes and SPD pedals. I haven't had any issues with it yet (I'm at 300 miles)

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Do you know where people are finding '04 and '05 poprads for $800something? I am looking at getting an '05 and the most i could talk my LBS down to was to knock off $100 from the MSR price.

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Since you can't seem to buy them new online (Trek/LeMond policy), I guessing that people are finding them either over the phone or at their LBS.

Maybe a new thread is in order entitled "Where did you find your Poprad?" I know I had a hard time finding one this summer, even from my local authorized Trek and LeMond dealers. Now that it's CX season, you'll probably have a better go of it.
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I agree here. A cyclocross bike is not a puny road bike with breakable pieces or clever paint schemes. Or at least hopefully not. (He says thinking of his own Raleigh Team Cross with carbon stays and fancy paint). There are plenty of used cross bikes out there available. Check out Ebay or roadbikereview.com.

One thing that I've mentioned elsewhere - combination shifters on a bike used off-road isn't a particularly good idea. While they seem to last OK they're heavy, clunky and aren't nearly as cool as bar-ends. For my tastes, give me DuraAce bar-ends over combination shifters any way on a cross/touring/commute bike. And because everyone is looking for combinationa shifters the bar-end bikes go a lot cheaper.
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blah blah barends,shmarends.. combo levers are better for commuting/touring/general riding/racing. so muck quicker to shift. Click, done. click click done... 2 up or down. theyre not heavy or clunky. theyre modern and work fine. Ive had my 105 combo levers for two years, thousands of miles, zero tuneups. this is with mountainbike derailleurs and regular changing of wheelsets...

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I have a 2003 Poprad, bought "new" but hidden in the back of my LBS for 2 seasons, and I paid about what they're asking (I think it was $820 about 4 months ago). New, they routinely retail for 1100-1200, and maybe the Sora vs 105s change that year would have lowered the price, but it's an elegant steel frame (still 853), well-balanced and rugged enough for a lot of trails and urban commuting. I've been pleased. I'd change out the tires (or maybe negotiate that in, if you can), though, as the Bontragers it ships with run down quickly and ride like velcro. I just added Armadillo 28s, and I feel invincible.
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One thing that I've mentioned elsewhere - combination shifters on a bike used off-road isn't a particularly good idea. While they seem to last OK they're heavy, clunky and aren't nearly as cool as bar-ends. For my tastes, give me DuraAce bar-ends over combination shifters any way on a cross/touring/commute bike. And because everyone is looking for combinationa shifters the bar-end bikes go a lot cheaper.
Heavy? Perhaps nominally so, but I'll trade a few grams for the ability to keep both hands on the hoods through some twitchy technical or on a climb and still shift on the fly. I lose my sense of rhythm when I have to fiddle with bar-ends.

Clunky? Not in my experience. I personally find STIs a whole lot easier to use than bar-ends, though this might just be a matter of what I'm/you're used to.

Cool? Granted, there is a certain Luddite charm to bar-ends, but neither coolness nor charm help me get up that hill any faster. I save my stylish concessions for the beater fixie conversion.
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