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    Commencal Cyclocross Bikes and Other Questions

    In my quest to find a frame through Ebay I came across a listing for a Commencal cyclocross frame from a local guy to me no less. (I am not the seller nor do I have an affiliation.) Unfortunately the frame is too large.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

    I have found precious little regarding Commencal cyclocross bikes although I am pretty familiar with their mountain bikes. I searched in this forum regarding Commencal and found a single reference by Velocipedio. I believe Velocipedio is also Montreal-based and wonder if the Commencal race bike he saw was this same one.
    http://bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=60

    Anyway, my LBS can get Commencal bikes and never thought to ask him if he could get a Commencal frameset as I thought they were only mountain bikes. Anyone have any thoughts or experiences with this bike or frameset?

    For what it's worth I think I'm leaning towards a Gunnar Cross Hairs as I think I would like a steel frame. I am still keeping an open mind and haven't ruled out anything. I'll buy new/used, whatever. Still reading a lot and researching.
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    steel is real and gunnar makes nice bikes. I love riding a steel bike and I'm not sure if I'd go back to Al for cross or otherwise.

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    I know the seller of this frame. It's in exceptional shape.

    The other Commensal that I've see at the races was Jurgen van den Driesse, who pretty much dominated the Quebec cyclo-cross scene for two seasons on the bike. Very nice. Aggressive geometry, very responsive handling. beautifully made and finished bike.

    I would never, ever race a steel bike in cyclo-cross. Steel is heavy. Steel rusts.
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    I'm curious, why are there no (at least none that I came across) full carbon cyclocross bikes? These days you have even downhill mountain bikes made out of carbon so it's obvious that strength is there, why do they not exist or why are they not in favour?
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    There are a few carbon cross bikes out there:

    The Ridley X-Night is one: http://www.ridley-bikes.com/lang/en/xnight.asp

    I understand that Specialized will have a carbon S-Works Tricross this year.

    A carbon cyclo-cross bike makes sense if you are made of money, never crash, never race in extreme conditions, or are a sponsored pro... Or if the carbon bike will never go off-road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velocipedio
    There are a few carbon cross bikes out there:

    The Ridley X-Night is one: http://www.ridley-bikes.com/lang/en/xnight.asp

    I understand that Specialized will have a carbon S-Works Tricross this year.

    A carbon cyclo-cross bike makes sense if you are made of money, never crash, never race in extreme conditions, or are a sponsored pro... Or if the carbon bike will never go off-road.
    I can understand the issue regarding crashing, but what are the issues regarding extreme conditions or off-road? Is it the vibrations/hard hits? What if I were to get a carbon frame for a reasonable price, what are the issues I should look out for? Should I just pass? There are so many Cross Country frames made out of carbon these days that I'm sure the carbon issue is worked out. Then again, a XC bike is likely made tougher than a CX bike.

    BTW, I noticed in earlier threads that you and a bunch of other Montrealers start training on Mount-Royal as the season gets closer. I'd love to come out although it would likely be on my hardtail until I get my CX bike figured out. Let me know when you guys start your training.
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    as mentioned there are a handful of full carbon cx bikes out there. alan makes one, as well as the new cervelo (jonathan page's ride). with regard to steel, there are plenty of super light steel cx bikes out there, and tons of them at the races. IF, hot tubes, seven, kelly,...and of course the poprad are all over the cx scene. someone already mentioned the gunnar, which is very popular with crossers.

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    The Cervelo is not available as a production bike, and the company will not say when or if it ever will be.

    My problem with carbon in extreme conditions is that, even if you don't crash, you'll be kicking up stones and gravel and riding through mud. When mud gets into the fittings and spaces in a carbon frame, it can really grind parts down. It's like sandpaper. Cleaning a bike after a November race is hard enough without having to be totally anal-retentive about it. Life's too short.

    Santiago... there's a nice cyclo-cross community out of Martin Swiss Cycles on Victoria Ave. in Westmount. Come by the shop and introduce yourself. Ask for Matt.

    Regrettably, I won't be in Montreal for the racing season this year. I'm in grad school in New Jersey. But the Martin Swiss Cyclo-cross Experience is in good hands, and will continue again this year without me.
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    My primary experience with carbon fiber on a bike is with an old Girvin fork on a mountain bike. If that's a fair example of how CF holds up under duress, there's nothing to worry about. That thing was indestructible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velocipedio
    I would never, ever race a steel bike in cyclo-cross. Steel is heavy. Steel rusts.
    <sarcasm>Yeah, those Sachs guys are really slow and they seem to need new frames every other year</sarcasm>

    Your statement is patently BS. Steel makes a fine cross bike that will last many seasons longer than an Al bike.

    Disclaimer: Both my race and pit bikes are Al. But I lust after Sachs, Vanilla, Zank, DeSalvo, etc. Oooh ... a pair of Ti DeSalvo crossers would be devine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanwaCX
    <sarcasm>Yeah, those Sachs guys are really slow and they seem to need new frames every other year</sarcasm>

    Your statement is patently BS. Steel makes a fine cross bike that will last many seasons longer than an Al bike.

    Disclaimer: Both my race and pit bikes are Al. But I lust after Sachs, Vanilla, Zank, DeSalvo, etc. Oooh ... a pair of Ti DeSalvo crossers would be devine!

    thank you! does steel rust? yes, if you dont take care of it. treat it with framesaver every year or so, and take the seat out and dump the water out of the seattube after really muddy rides.

    now Ti, yeah, that's be sweet... nice IF Ti cross. mmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanwaCX
    <sarcasm>Yeah, those Sachs guys are really slow and they seem to need new frames every other year</sarcasm>

    Your statement is patently BS. Steel makes a fine cross bike that will last many seasons longer than an Al bike.

    Disclaimer: Both my race and pit bikes are Al. But I lust after Sachs, Vanilla, Zank, DeSalvo, etc. Oooh ... a pair of Ti DeSalvo crossers would be devine!
    My statement that I would never race a steel bike is BS? How do you know.

    I should have said that I would never race an affordable steel bike. Sachs is nice, so are Vanillas and IF steel Planet X's. They're light. They're also ridiculously expensive.

    I don't know where you ride, but up in Quebec, most of the races take place in rain, sleet, snow and mud. These are far from ideal conditions for steel. Steel rusts. Preventing it from rusting in our conditions is far more trouble than it's worth.

    on the other hand, if you ride a Sachs, you're probably a pro or made of money, so you can hire someone to do the maintenance for you. Me? I clean and maintain my own bike. Steel isn't worth the bother.
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