Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Recreational Cyclocross and Gravelbiking This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like :The Dirty Kanza". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-03-06, 06:33 PM   #1
jfmckenna
Tiocfáidh ár Lá
Thread Starter
 
jfmckenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The edge of b#
Bikes: A whole bunch-a bikes.
Posts: 5,440
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
USCF Categories

Are you all having a pain in the ass time dealing with the new cats? I liked the A B C cats of yesteryear. Ok so I/we have to deal with this. They gave me a cross cat of 4 even though last year I was placing in the money in men's A cat. A friend of mine in the same boat went to upgrade on line and it goes back to our local rep who knows no one in the cross circle and upped him to cat 3. I am afraid I am going to have to waste a whole season getting points in cat 3 (formally known as Men's B) just to get to cat 2. My goal this year was to race Nats in Providence RI. Now I heard a rumour that to race Nat's you need at least one UCI point well fine but at least give me the chance to race a UCI race and get a point.

I guess this is a transition period for cross. It probably is a good thing but unfortunately for me it has caused some early season problems that I have to deal with.

What do you all think about this new system and any pointers?
jfmckenna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-06, 07:14 PM   #2
xccx
+++++++++++++++
 
xccx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Bikes: 2 Felt F1X's, Surly Steamroller Fixed / Free, 2007 IF Crown Jewel, 2007 IF Planet X Singlespeed
Posts: 349
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
yes, for me it was a pain, and took a few emails and even a call to UCSF to get it straightened out. you probably know this, but basically your cross cat depends on your road/mtn cat. i havent heard that about nats and i dont see why you couldnt race, unless they are doing it differently this year. what is your road cat? i'm a cat 3 but last year i raced alot of cross and not alot of road, so they wouldnt upgrade me to cat 3 cross, even though i raced like 15 races and killed it all season. my mtb cat is expert so based on that and my cross results, they did ultimately upgrade me to cat 3. like i said, kind of a pain.
xccx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-06, 08:40 PM   #3
CaptMatt15
Double Secret Member
 
CaptMatt15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC
Bikes: 2004 Gary Fisher Marlin, 2007 Redline Conquest
Posts: 298
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
forgive me for being new to the whole 'cross and racing deal, but shouldnt cross be a seperate sport? if it depends that hevily on your mtb/road category is then why did they give cross its own classification in the first place? you think if they went thru that trouble then they could just make it a 3rd sport really (and if you raced mtb/road they could still take that into effect)...
CaptMatt15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-06, 08:53 PM   #4
Milice 
Senior Member
 
Milice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ohio
Bikes:
Posts: 1,329
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
what about us that do not race road or mt? But are interested only in racing cross?
Milice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-06, 09:02 PM   #5
xccx
+++++++++++++++
 
xccx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Bikes: 2 Felt F1X's, Surly Steamroller Fixed / Free, 2007 IF Crown Jewel, 2007 IF Planet X Singlespeed
Posts: 349
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMatt15
forgive me for being new to the whole 'cross and racing deal, but shouldnt cross be a seperate sport? if it depends that hevily on your mtb/road category is then why did they give cross its own classification in the first place? you think if they went thru that trouble then they could just make it a 3rd sport really (and if you raced mtb/road they could still take that into effect)...
as i understand it, one of the main reasons is to prevent sandbagging -- and its also a safety thing, as in road, where you need to log a certain number of races to get experience racing in a pack, etc, b4 you can move up.
xccx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-06, 09:05 PM   #6
xccx
+++++++++++++++
 
xccx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Bikes: 2 Felt F1X's, Surly Steamroller Fixed / Free, 2007 IF Crown Jewel, 2007 IF Planet X Singlespeed
Posts: 349
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milice
what about us that do not race road or mt? But are interested only in racing cross?
basically, you will get a license, either USCF or NORBA, and if you have no previous race resume, you will automatically be assigned cat 5. if you do have a previous cross race resume, you can apply for an upgrade based on those results. the weird thing is that in a case like this, if you are the equivalent of a cat 3 cross racer, you can enter as a cat3 in a road race if you want to, having no significant experience racing road. to me, that seems like a safety concern.
xccx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-06, 11:20 PM   #7
JimmyMack
Senior Member
 
JimmyMack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 106
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfmckenna
Are you all having a pain in the ass time dealing with the new cats? I liked the A B C cats of yesteryear. Ok so I/we have to deal with this. They gave me a cross cat of 4 even though last year I was placing in the money in men's A cat. A friend of mine in the same boat went to upgrade on line and it goes back to our local rep who knows no one in the cross circle and upped him to cat 3. I am afraid I am going to have to waste a whole season getting points in cat 3 (formally known as Men's B) just to get to cat 2. My goal this year was to race Nats in Providence RI. Now I heard a rumour that to race Nat's you need at least one UCI point well fine but at least give me the chance to race a UCI race and get a point.

I guess this is a transition period for cross. It probably is a good thing but unfortunately for me it has caused some early season problems that I have to deal with.

What do you all think about this new system and any pointers?
Categories are cool. It helps to define the sport as unique.

Contniue to contact your local rep to get your upgrade to Cat 2. I put together a race resume for the last two years, using notepad, and submitted it to my local rep via the USA cycling site. Sounds like you have plenty of data to back your need to race as a Cat 2, so just keep pushing in a friendly but persistant manner.
JimmyMack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-06, 07:32 PM   #8
tayphoo
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Are you truly forbidden from racing up a category in cyclocross, or is it more a matter of not being able to earn points in that category? In the few mountain bike races that I've done, no one really cared if you moved up without filing the paperwork... if you got schooled, that was just sort of your problem. It was understood, however, that you couldn't drop back down without good reason. If I decide that I want to race out of my class (group C, cat 4, whatever) half way through the season, do I really have to harass USCF until they send me a new license?
tayphoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-06, 06:33 AM   #9
jfmckenna
Tiocfáidh ár Lá
Thread Starter
 
jfmckenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The edge of b#
Bikes: A whole bunch-a bikes.
Posts: 5,440
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
^^ Thats the way it used to be. The first race I ever did was a B race and I was schooled so I raced C for the year. I am hoping that there will be a sort of phase in period. If there is not then the Pro/1/2 which used to be A will be lucky to see 10 racers per field, at least in NC where I race.

Anyway thanks for the advice I think I will assemble all my races into a resume and see how many points I come up with for an upgrade and go from there...
jfmckenna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-06, 02:49 PM   #10
jfmckenna
Tiocfáidh ár Lá
Thread Starter
 
jfmckenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The edge of b#
Bikes: A whole bunch-a bikes.
Posts: 5,440
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
OK so it's official. I am a cat 2. Man I have a lot of work to do now, I gotta get up off my post road season lazy ass

btw I used the USA Cycling form on the web site to put in my resume for an upgrade and I got it back in about two days. It's a pretty fast way to do it.
jfmckenna is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:22 AM.