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Old 06-05-07, 07:32 AM   #1
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components ? campy / shimano / sram /alternatives

There are so many component setups for consumers / competitors out there. The worst part about is that the prices fluctuate so much that it makes it hard to stick to one company's group set or to mix and match.

I'm not looking for the most 'expensive' setup but a competitive / productive setup.

I can't justify spending 1k plus for components that are not gonna make it to the next few seasons of competitive cross tourneys but I also can't justify putting crap on my bike.

I know its the rider and not the bike that wins a race, but having a good setup helps.

Any suggestions for a nice inexpensive setup ? I'm debating on a shimano 105 setup because its not super crappy but at the same time I know its not the best. Is there a decent competitor out there? I was gonna go SRAM but after seeing the component price list I said forget it ! I would rather not go about and mix and match shim / campy / sram no matter how 'compatible' people / companies say they are...

What about mixing and matching road / mtb components? PROS vs CONS?

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Old 06-05-07, 05:06 PM   #2
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As much as I like Campy, a good Shimano 105 group might just be the ticket for you. Brifters aside, everything else is very affordable. Good luck

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105 / XT / XTR / dura / ultegra /tiagra ?

Thanks Tim,

Im looking at the shimano groupset the 105 is obviously the least priced, but are there advantages of mixing and matching the components of mountain / road pieces? I know tat they are compatible (well most of the pieces)

More exactly, is it bad or good to have certain parts of a higher shimano line? eg, I'm looking at a short cage dura or iltegra cause its new and about 10$ more than the 105. So I figure well, at that price I might as well. But I have read some people say that:
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"when you are used to a ultegra or even dura ace comp set up that going back to a 105 setup hurts"
Is this true or just some more LBS hot air?
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Other than weight, the main difference I noticed between 105 and Ultegra is smoother brifter action and a smoother front Der, but since front Der. shifting is not a big issue in CX, this may not be important to you.

Personally, I would like to see feedback from anybody that's tried building a Rohloff internal hub CX bike. Totally maintenance free and shift perfection under load. The only thing I dislike is the awkward shifter knob.
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Dude thats the final setup im going for !!! but at 750$-1.4k$ USD fr a 500/14 speedhub... it's a bit $$$. That's why im testing out a 3-5 speed internal hub setup first (SRAM) or a 3-5 external 105/dura/ultegra hub (still not sure on what i want for the hub...)

but the moment I am ok for $$ on the rohloff, i'm getting it. I'll keep you posted, but I have read on mtbreviews.com many mtbers comments, but never on a cross setup so i'm curious also. I wanna know how much of a pounding an internal can take cause im really not nice to my bike, the nicest I am is when im stripping it down and locking it up. and at 750$ + for a rohlff... sure as **** im bringing that lil bastard wheel with me... !
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The only thing I dislike is the awkward shifter knob.

so far as I have read you can use a brifter / index shifter with a rohloff, its a lil tricky but still seems to work.
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i like the sugino xd series for cranks. the 300's and 600's are 110 bcd triples. solid and traditional. and for brakes....tektro. they copy everythinq. their r200 ergo levers are very comfortable.
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If you are going to race, there's a lot to be said for running a build that uses common parts (Like Shimano 105) because when stuff breaks you can bum a spare from guys in your club or friends. I run Campy on the road, but I've been glad I run 105 many times at cross races. I don't think I've ever seen a Rohloff at a race. I can't imagine having a spare rear wheel built up sitting in the pits.
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for a rohloff spare i would probably cheap it out and have a sram or shimano internal as a spare
but like I said im not looking to hit the races for the next few seasons, still need to train / build my cross bike

mind you for the cost of wheels bikes / drivetrains a spare rohloff might not be that bad... a lil $$$ but hey who are we kidding? At a competitive level the difference between needing a swap out bike or a swap out wheel can make all the difference. But I still agree that a rohloff swap would be super $$ but really worth the $$
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I know some people have used Shimano MTB long cage rear derailuers to accomodate large cassettes with success.

I'm a fan of anything Shimano 105, alot of people say today's 105 components are as good as Ultegra was 5 years ago. Even alot the Tiagra stuff is pretty good (i have the STI shifters on my Giant TCX and the front derailuer on my roadbike and both have been great). For brakes/cassettes/chains, SRAM/Avid makes some great stuff that won't break the bank either.
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Rohloff for regular firetrail riding is perfect, but I believe the main reasons serious CX racers don't use them are two fold:
1. Weight: It's about 200g heavier than the parts it replaces, almost half a pound, and for CXers, weight is important because with a lot of stop and go, including carrying your bike, every gram truly makes a difference

2. Can't have more than one wheel build without spending $900 for each speedhub (for deep rims for mud, shallow rims for dry loose dirt, clincher for road training and a pit spare) , but let's say money isn't the issue...

3. Fear of the unknown. Past winners have never used it, so it would be kinda risky to be the "first adopter" and screw up an entire season if it doesn't work out. Personally, I think it would be worth trying over the offseason and compare times on known tracks to see if there's any improvement, but psychologically, it's understandable to avoid unknown variables at all costs.

Since I'm a casual weekend CX kinda guy, I may build up a Rohloff custom light tourer for double duty when I'm tired of my singlespeed CX bike, but already I'm looking at 19.5 lbs. on a steel frame with mostly lightweight alloy components and a clincher wheel. For it to be under 18 lbs., it looks like all carbon or at least Alum. frame.

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Here here ! a carbon or TI setup would be nice with a speedhub... but like we both agreed... do you got the cash for it... HAHAHA

all the reviews of the rohloff are crazy, people's biggest fear is the weight and secondarily was the 'grinding' noise it gives before being 'broken-in' to truely be quiet and shift smoothly.

What I'm truely wondering is how durable are they for a CX setup? because they have a mtb setup for the speedhub but still makes me wonder... mtb setup for general consumer or mtb setup for avid racer/freerider? that really makes the difference in how much of a pounding the hub can take.

for me back to the hunt of spare 105 / 105 compatible parts.

so far: crank, short cage, down tube shifters, calipers, hubs... next bb, cables, stem, fork and bar (and all the fixins' yeehaw)
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