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Old 07-11-07, 10:18 AM   #1
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Looking for a Cross frame with Horizontal Dropouts

Anyone know of one? Do they exist?
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Old 07-11-07, 10:37 AM   #2
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Surly cross check.

I'm using an 80's touring frame for a SS CX bike. They are out there.
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Old 07-12-07, 03:03 AM   #3
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Surly cross check.

I'm using an 80's touring frame for a SS CX bike. They are out there.
There aren't many new bikes, of any type, that use horizontal dropouts. Many moons ago mfg's decided that all bikes should have short chainstays so they could look sporty. Then they found out that you couldn't get the wheel out with horizontal dropouts. Vertical dropouts solved the problem.

Like Cynikal said, you really need to get an older bike to find horizontals. Problem is that most are spaced 120mm to 126mm. Life is full of trade offs. Good luck

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Old 07-13-07, 12:48 PM   #4
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There aren't many new bikes, of any type, that use horizontal dropouts. Many moons ago mfg's decided that all bikes should have short chainstays so they could look sporty. Then they found out that you couldn't get the wheel out with horizontal dropouts. Vertical dropouts solved the problem.

Like Cynikal said, you really need to get an older bike to find horizontals. Problem is that most are spaced 120mm to 126mm. Life is full of trade offs. Good luck

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The spacing thing really isn't an issue with steel. You can just cold set it. Avoid Alu for this.
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Old 07-14-07, 01:11 PM   #7
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Bianchi San Jose. I believe that Raleigh has a cx frame with track style drop outs in their program as well.
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Old 07-14-07, 06:10 PM   #8
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Bianchi San Jose. I believe that Raleigh has a cx frame with track style drop outs in their program as well.
But this isn't what the OP is looking for. The San Jose does not have a deraileur hanger, nor does the Raleigh. Also, track ends are not "drop outs", they are "track ends". Not quite the same thing. So says the master. (scroll down a bit)

The above mentioned Cross Check has horizontal drops, as does the Salsa Cassaroll, which is pretty much a Cross-Check clone.
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You are right that there is no derailleur hanger on the San Jose or the Raleigh One Way, which i assume is the bike the previous poster referenced. As such, you don't have the option of running geared later, like you would on a CrossCheck, or an older touring bike. Upon closer inspection, the Casseroll takes caliper brakes, not canti. It'll handle bigger tires than most road bikes (up to 35mm), but is not really a CX frame. Maybe it's more of a Surly Pacer clone? It does look like a nice frame.

If the OP's goal in having horizontal dropouts is to have the ability to single speed and gear the same frame, the CrossCheck/80s touring bike is where it's at. One option that hasn't been mentioned is the sliding dropouts in the Voodoo Wazoo.
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SS Cross Bike

If you're interested in racing SS Cross, I'm using a Soma Double cross with the ENO Eccentric Hub. This Hub allows a Flip Flop Hub ( SS/ Fixed ) with Standard dropouts. I've raced mine and love it.
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But this isn't what the OP is looking for. The San Jose does not have a deraileur hanger, nor does the Raleigh. Also, track ends are not "drop outs", they are "track ends". Not quite the same thing. So says the master. (scroll down a bit)

The above mentioned Cross Check has horizontal drops, as does the Salsa Cassaroll, which is pretty much a Cross-Check clone.
Opps my bad. Rules out the pompino too. Bianchi Volpe might fit the bill though if it's purpose is more "do it all bike" rather than competitive cyclocross.

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Bianchi Volpe might fit the bill though if it's purpose is more "do it all bike" rather than competitive cyclocross.
Yeah, the current Volpe has horizontal dropouts. And yeah, it's more of an all-rounder than a competitive 'cross bike, but then the same could be said of the Cross Check.
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The above mentioned Cross Check has horizontal drops, as does the Salsa Cassaroll, which is pretty much a Cross-Check clone.
Not so much. Here is what Jason from Salsa said about that in another forum
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=298511

"Ok folks, here goes. Here is Salsa's take on the Casseroll. Yeah, it may sound a little like marketing, but it's the truth so take it as you see fit.

We built a road bike we want to ride. It was conceived when Kid Riemer and I were in Japan. There was a shop building high end commuters. They were beautiful and the shop owner asked us whey we don't build bikes like this? We did not have an answer.

I know it is hard not to compare this bike to a Surly. Well, so be it. They build nice bikes and we certainly would rather be compared to them than someone who builds crappy bikes. The Casseroll is more versatile than a Pacer and more comfortable. It also can be singled or fixed. The CrossCheck is a different beast. It's got a higher BB, more tire clearance. Again, in my opinion, the Casseroll is far more comfy than the CrossCheck, but not as dirt worthy. LHT is a touring bike. The Casseroll is a long distance, versatile road bike.

The Casseroll is Salsa's take on a do everything road bike. It can handle fatties, fenders and racks. It is so darn comfy. Two thing to point out that it is not. It is not designed for off road use. You'll trash the nice steel fork quickly. It is also not a heavy touring bike. Don't load it up for a long tour. It'll feel a bit noodley if you do this.

Chequamagon, don't believe everything you hear. You'll be bummed if your hopes are too high.

Jason"
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I guess the question is why horizontal drop outs? If it's to go SS, then there are tons of SS frame options. If you plan on switching from SS to geared and back, I guess the Cross Check is the only option.
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I guess the question is why horizontal drop outs? If it's to go SS, then there are tons of SS frame options. If you plan on switching from SS to geared and back, I guess the Cross Check is the only option.
Yeah its to go SS/fixed flipflop. I have checked out all the options given and am looking out for some good deals. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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