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Old 07-26-07, 01:52 PM   #1
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Nashbar X and carbon fork - deal? or party foul?

Yesterday, I ordered the Nashbar X cyclocross frame (on sale for $109!) and the Nashbar carbon cross fork (on sale for $124!) and then applied a 20% discount. Total price: $186.

How cool is that? Shipping and taxes were a bit high, but I couldn't resist buying these big items (for my budget, at least) during their 20% off promotion. Anyhow, here's what I'm doing:

I've got a 52cm Surly Cross-Check frame (original blue, first year of production, the only year they made it with Reynolds 631 and 1" steer tube). For years, I've loved the bike, but it's just a tad bit tall for me. Anyhow, I've mostly ridden it as a commuter and I hope to sell it to someone who will rebuild it and appreciate it more than I did. I don't have the original fork, btw. I've got a Tange cro-mo instead. Once all the parts are swapped, I'll be selling it, so lemme know if you're interested.

So I'm excited about this switch. I've never had a carbon fork, or a road bike that really fit me (27.5" inseam, doh!). Hopefully, this will do the trick. Going from steel to aluminum will probably be a rude awakening, but I'll live.

Here's roughly my set up:
Drop bars and Tiagra STI brifters
105 cranks and rear der
Ultegra front der
Campy hubs and Mavic rims
Conti 28mm tires
Planet Bike Fenders

Let me know if you all have any thoughts. The bargain just inspired me to make a change. So, I've got my fingers "crossed" that I'll have no regrets.

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Old 07-26-07, 02:29 PM   #2
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I believe the rear spacing is 135 so your campy may not fit. There may be a way to add spacers.
That's a good deal - don't forget to post pics when the build is complete.
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The party foul is...

the party foul is - that they continue to advertise the "deal" of ordering both the carbon fork and frame for $299 (at least it was when I ordered it)...some deal. also, careful...they charged my cc full price even though they sent me an email invoice applying the 15% off at that time. Took several calls and emails to get them to refund my money.

anyhow, I had planned on doing much the same thing you are doing, but...
I ended up buying a Kona JTS on ebay and don't have the heart to strip it down and transfer
it all over. Plus, I got Nashbars disc brake set that I want on my Nashbar custom, so I have to
come up with another plan.

Like someone said though, post pics when you are done.

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Old 07-26-07, 03:39 PM   #4
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I noticed that "combo deal" too. And thanks for the tip. I'll check my credit card statement once the order goes thru. As for pics. I'll post a before and after. Just hope the after isn't two months away. Something always comes up (like rear wheel spacing or maybe a new headset) when switching parts over. Plus, if I do it all myself, just for the education, then procrastination may take over. But, I should be able to show you all the Surly as-is today or tomorrow.
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yeah, the rear spacing is 135 mm. and you'll need a new headset (as you seem to know already).

other than that, i expect you'll enjoy it. it won't ride as plush as your Surly, though.
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Having trouble uploading the file with decent resolution.
Here goes. May need to try again if this turns out to be microscopic....
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Oh, the cranks are 600s, not 105s.
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dude the surly is a little tall.

if dont mind pressing in the frame a bit you can fit in your old rear wheel.(130 vs 135)
otherwise you can change the rear axle to 135 for an easy fit.

I am lookin at the nashbar deal also, but I am debating it with the Motobance cross frame at ebay.

good luck with the built
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The Motobecane does look like a bargain, but I like a much more plain colored bicycle. And the geometry of the Nashhbar frame seems like it will create a lower standover height for me. Too bad I'm gonna have to buy a new headset. Any suggestions for a decent one under $40? I'm willing to ebay it if need be.
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check out the Scattante cross frame/fork/headset from performancebike.com, I really like mine thus far.
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if dont mind pressing in the frame a bit you can fit in your old rear wheel.(130 vs 135)
otherwise you can change the rear axle to 135 for an easy fit.
you can't "press in the frame a bit" on the Nashbar frame - at least you shouldn't - because it's aluminium.
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pressin is not as bad as spreadin but either way your right is not good for the frame.

jasonguard..besides the head set (the crane creek s2 are good buy for the $$) you need to do a little hub surgery. if you have an old mtb hub or doner wheel change out the 130 axle for a 135 it will be cheaper then a new wheel.
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Thanks for the tips on the frame. Knowing me, I'd probably just have squeezed it until I was able to tighten the skewer down on it. It turns out that I do have a MTB wheel that could donate an axle. BTW, what's a reasonable price for an LBS to swap over all of the parts from my old bike to my new frame/fork? I'd like to do it myself, but I don't want to mess with my hub, my headset, or my bottom bracket. The rest I could probably manage. Luckily, I know guys who've just opened repair shops in town and and we've got a really cool non-profit bike shop called Re-Cycles. Wish I had thrown the Cane Creek S-2 headset on my Nashbar purchase. They're like $17 bucks right now.
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you can't "press in the frame a bit" on the Nashbar frame - at least you shouldn't - because it's aluminium.

O RLY?

Aluminum will be just fine if you close down the skewer to accomodate a 130 spaced hub in a 135 spaced frame. It's 2.5mm per side that it's moving, for Pete's sake. Get a longer MTB skewer and clamp the b*tch down.

I've been doing it on my Salsa Las Cruces for 2 years with absolutely no issues.
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firstly, just because you've done it doesn't mean it should be done. aluminium just isn't as flexible or tolerant of stress as steel. fact of life, sorry.

secondly, there is a large difference in quality of construction and materials between the Nashbar X frame and a Salsa Las Cruces. the Salsa's MSRP is what, five times that of the Nashbar? and i don't think that's all in the name and sweet paintjob.

finally, it's not that hard to replace or just put spacers on the axle to change the width. so why espouse doing something the incorrect (and possibly harmful) way, when the correct way is pretty darn simple?
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The folks at my LBS won't let me put that back wheel on incorrectly. They're too bike-geeky to pass up the chance to explain to me about the 5mm difference. However, if I were completely on my own, I'd probably Damocles1's attitude toward it.

Anyhow, jhota, your Nashbar X bike was one of my inspirations go ahead and make the purchase. Any major success or regrets? I'm not going to be buying everything black from now on, but the aesthetic will be pretty tight. Wish that fork and the frame looked like they went together a little better.
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firstly, just because you've done it doesn't mean it should be done. aluminium just isn't as flexible or tolerant of stress as steel. fact of life, sorry.

secondly, there is a large difference in quality of construction and materials between the Nashbar X frame and a Salsa Las Cruces. the Salsa's MSRP is what, five times that of the Nashbar? and i don't think that's all in the name and sweet paintjob.

finally, it's not that hard to replace or just put spacers on the axle to change the width. so why espouse doing something the incorrect (and possibly harmful) way, when the correct way is pretty darn simple?
Then why did Ibis, and now Castellano, make soft-tail mountain bikes out of alu? With 1.5" of travel? I know of 4 guys that ride 'em and there hasn't been a broken or cracked frame in 5 years. KHS made alu soft-tail cross bike for a while.

Less than 3mm per side won't hurt the Nashbar frame, period. There's more deflection at the BB than that...!

It's not beer can thin. If anything, it's likely thicker tubing and drops than my scandium Salsa.
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There's a returned carbon cross fork at Nashbar for $65. Here's the link:

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...0%2D%20Returns
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THe frame went back to 129
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I just bought the Motobecane Fantom Cross frame/fork/HS deal on Ebay for $220 shipped. It is nice! I built it up with scrounge stuff and a few used Ebay parts, and it has Ultegra 9 speed STI, ultegra front der., XT rear der., 50-36 compact crankset, and a 11-32 XT rear cogset. Total investment was about $400, minus wheels. You could climb trees with this thing, and it weighs 21 pounds, pretty reasonable I thought. BTW, I have road wheels on it, haven't even bothered to check the rear spacing, and the rear clamps fine.
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Then why did Ibis, and now Castellano, make soft-tail mountain bikes out of alu? With 1.5" of travel? I know of 4 guys that ride 'em and there hasn't been a broken or cracked frame in 5 years. KHS made alu soft-tail cross bike for a while.

Less than 3mm per side won't hurt the Nashbar frame, period. There's more deflection at the BB than that...!

It's not beer can thin. If anything, it's likely thicker tubing and drops than my scandium Salsa.
Simple answer...because they were designed to do so.

If you are comfortable squeezing your frame then that's your option, but I would never advise anyone to do it, nor am I going to argue about it. Do what works for you. I'm just giving the info so someone can make their own choice. Let them make it.
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If one of you doesn't buy that returned carbon fork at Nashbar, I'm going to buy it and return the one that they're shipping me right now for the difference. I talked to Nashbar on the phone and their 15-day price match doesn't extend to returned goods.
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Simple answer...because they were designed to do so.

If you are comfortable squeezing your frame then that's your option, but I would never advise anyone to do it, nor am I going to argue about it. Do what works for you. I'm just giving the info so someone can make their own choice. Let them make it.
You're missing the point here. Squeezing the dropouts closer together isn't hurting the aluminum. Once the drops are clamped in the QR, they aren't moving/flexing. There is more deflection in the frame at the BB than the 5mm by which the spacing is being reduced.

Take the back wheel out of your bike and squeeze the drops with your hands. I'm betting it moved WAY more than 5mm.

The Ibis and the KHS softtail bikes were designed to move, but they are also still aluminum. Alu is elastic, to a point. If 3/4" of movement doesn't break the chainstays on a KHS cross frame, 5mm isn't going to bother the dropouts on the Nashbar frame.
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Good luck there. I ordered that RETURNED fork last friday and just checked my email to verify that it was indeed being shipped. Well, this will probably be the last time I order from Nashbar. They didn't ship the fork saying that the item is being discontinued? what the F is that? They still list the item TODAY, the 30th. Needless to say I am going to have a word with their customer service people tomorrow about this and since my last order was also screwed up having to contact them three times to get them to refund what they overcharged me, I think I will take my business elsewhere.

oh well. Luckily I didn't start taking my headset off...
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Just for kicks...

I ordered that same fork AGAIN last night to see what would happen this time. I figure if they somehow decide that it IS in stock this time, I will make them refund me the difference and get free shipping since it should have been part of my last order. Not sure why, but I think I like the masochism side of this.

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