Originally Posted by robcycle
You see, the Gary seems to have no flare None is listed on the site, and the bars point straight back. In riding it, it seems that I would be allot more comfortable with some flare at the bottom of the drops. On-One list the Midge's as having 113* of flair, which I'm going to interpret to mean 23* (113*-90*).
Sorry I don't have any experience with the Gary bar. I know I'm going to come across as a snob, but... the Gary bars-- indeed ALL three of Origin-8's "urban" bar line-up rip-off On-One's Mary (flat sweep), Mungo (moustache), and Midge (drop) designs.
The problem with that, if you look at the Gary and Midge together, is that what On-One spent years developing and getting "just right" the Gary bar completely misses.
They have a narrower top and (according to you) no flare on the hooks. The Midge DOES have 23-deg of flare. (And the "flare" TimJ is referring to is actually the slop of the hooks. The Gary has a shallower slope (more pronounced) than the Midge. That may be a bit of a toss-up, but I think that shallower angle would make riding on the hoods-- and being able to use the levers-- more problematic.)
Do this: Let your arms dangle by your sides. Look down at your hands. See how your palms angle slightly back? Your thumbs are closer to your body than your pinkie. That angle closely matches the 23-deg of flare on the Midge.
Since you spend a majority of your saddle time in the hooks of the Midge (and Gary) you'll find the flare to be more comfortable than no flare.
I don't doubt the material quality of the Gary, but their design is all off. If they were to have designed them properly then they'd be a direct copy of the Midge. Like I said before, On-One spent years getting it right and had the input of Shiggy who has apparently been riding off-road with drop bars for 20+ years.
Quick note about fit: You will need a higher stem. Likely a 35-deg rise. I've tried 20-deg and it just wasn't high enough. You have to throw out all you know about fitting conventional drop bars and start all over!
As a rule of thumb, you want to try and get your hands in about the same position as they would be riding a flat-bar MTB. On my MTB the tops of the Midge are about an inch above the top of my saddle. Sitting up and placing my hands on the tops feels almost goofy high. However the tops of the bar are only for noodling around. In the hooks my hands are roughly 1.52 inches below the saddle-- which is where I was with the flat bar.
On my 'cross bike the tops are even with the saddle and my hands are lower-- but I race 'cross and the races are only 45-50 mins. And I like being a little lower there.
I'm sorry to harsh on the Gary bars, but I'm a graphic designer by trade and originality means much to me and the notion of copying or "stealing" ideas is anathema to me.
Yeah, I guess I did have to chime in!