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Recreational Cyclocross and Gravelbiking This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like :The Dirty Kanza". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

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Old 08-24-03, 05:26 PM   #1
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Shoping for a Cyclocross Bike

I've had a MTB for years and want to change to cyclocross. I checked out a new 01 Cannondale XR800 today. It was priced at 1199.00 with green Michilen tires and Shimano 105 components.

I'm wondering if this is a good price for this bike or if the 2003 Cannondale Cyclocross would be a better value. I haven't found to many reviews on either.

Any informaiton would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 08-24-03, 06:07 PM   #2
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There are some great cyclocross bikes out there. Can't say I'm familiar with any except the 2001 Cannondale XS 800 (the 'head shocked' sibling of the XR) I bought mine new in October of 2000 for $1600 (list was $1699 I think) and got a $160 accessory shopping spree to boot. I believe the XR was around $1499 at the time. I wanted a bike predominately for riding rail-trails (basically double track) but reasonably competent on the road and for the occassional true off road excursion. My XS has almost 4500 miles and I love this bike every bit as much today as I did when it was brand new. There have been times when a third chain ring would have been appreciated but I completed an MS 150 on the bike without a lot of drama. I don't know how the bike has faired in actual cyclocross competition and to be honest I don't recall ever seeing another one out and about. I upgraded to Mavic Ksyrium Elite wheels (yesterday as a matter of fact) and replaced the original Shimano 105 with this years black 105 - just had a little extra money burning a hole in my pocket and thought the black would look cool to be honest. It's been a great bike and though I'm lusting seriously for a 'pure' road bike there will always be a place in my dining room for the XS. My only regret? Michelin has discontinued those 'green' tires - the Cyclocross Sprint (ANYONE know where there are any of those left? Local and Internet searches have been fruitless). It was a good tire and to be honest, one that got a lot of thumbs up out of kids - something you're never too old to enjoy.

Regardless of what you might choose I hope you'll be as happy as I have been with my bike. Good Luck
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Old 08-25-03, 12:28 PM   #3
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Thanks for input. I've been doing allot of research on various cyclocross bikes and their components. I have no riding experience with this type of bike. In fact I haven't put much time on a bike in the past 3 years. Just looking for a versital bike to ride on the road that is also up for some trail riding.

I'm not to technically savy on all the components but have found allot of feed back on the web. The 01 XR800 is equipped with Shimano 105 components where the 02 & 03 models have Simano Tiagra components. Some reviews say the 105 set is heaver but and the Tiagra group is cheap. The fuji Axis has Shimano XT and LT components with 105 shift levers. I don't know if the differences other people note will matter to a newbie like me. But I'd like to bet the best for my buck.

Anyone here have any other input on Cannondales as compared to other cyclocross bikes?

Here's the bike I was looking at.

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Old 08-25-03, 01:15 PM   #4
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Also check out the Fuji Cross it has full 105 components, aluminum frame and carbon fork gives for a great ride.

Shimano XT and LX components (assuming that is a typo you made), are good quality. Tiagra is considered low end you are best going with 105 or better.

The groups brake down as Ultegra Top of line, then Ultegra then 105 as far as road groups. Then with Mountain you have XTR then XT, and LX just to give you a idea how to compare them. Some companies will sue Mountain Deraileurs in teh back so you can have a larger range cassette.
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Old 08-25-03, 02:16 PM   #5
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I'm going to check out a 02 Fuji Cylocross tonight. Had a hard time find a shop that had any in stock, much less sold them.

Finally found one. THey have the 2002 on sale for 869.00, the 01 Cannondale was 1199.

Hopefully the 54cm Fuji will fit as well as the 52cm Cannondale. I asked the shop about it. They said Fujis can run a little smaller but we'll see.

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Beacon,,

I have that bike (01 XR800). I have had it two yrs now, and have about 2500 miles on it. I bought it as a commuter bike and it hasn't let me down. Have done light trails, small hops, MS150s, metric centuries on the road. Overall, I love the bike! I keep conti GP3s on it about 2/3 of the time, and when I get bored with fast road riding, I put the green 'cross tires back on.. I love being able to switch.

However, it has one weakness: The wheelset was CRAP! I would not go off-roading (or anything but very light trail riding) with those stock CXP-21s which were (in my opinion) rather poorly built with spokes that are too light. My rear wheel constantly gave me problems, going out of true, and after 1500 miles popping spokes (both drive and non-drive side). By the way, I am bigger (6' 3"), and weigh 170#.

About 6 mos ago I broke down, ordered a Mavic OpenPro rim, and had the best guy in town build me a tough rear wheel with 14/15 gauge spokes, extra spoke "washers" around the hub, and tied/soldered crosses... I've been happy ever since.

The only other thing that I'd note is the price is way too high. Note that I bought my bike 2 yrs ago.. I paid the same price as you, and had a set of Time pedals (~$120) thrown in for free. If the bike is still new, its been sitting in the bike shop's inventory for a couple of yrs now and they should be motivated to get rid of it. Use that, and the crappy wheels, as negotiators... maybe talk them into a better wheelset for the same $ (from now on, I won't buy any wheel that wasn't hand-built!), pedals, etc...
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Fuji, Bianchi, Jamis, Trek all make CX. Gunnar, Surley and Soma make good cx frames.
NB pure competition cx frames lack any threaded eyelets or braze-ons, which are useful for commuting .
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i just got the 2004 xr 800. what a sweet ride
i might be a cross-newby, but i know a good bike when i find it. skip the 2001 and but the 2004
you can get a carbon fork and only slightly diluted componentry and optimo tubing. my 60 cm bike weighs 20.5 lbs. my 2001 caad 4 road bike just beats that at 19.5
2004 has 105 rear, tiagra front deraileur--you'll probably ditch the front one anyway and go single ring
also, the fizik poggio seat was an impressively cush ride for the torn-up local trails.
the only draw back on each bike is the wheelset is low-end, but good for training
oh yeah- it retails at $1100
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I'm going to check out a 02 Fuji Cylocross tonight. Had a hard time find a shop that had any in stock, much less sold them.

Finally found one. THey have the 2002 on sale for 869.00, the 01 Cannondale was 1199.

Hopefully the 54cm Fuji will fit as well as the 52cm Cannondale. I asked the shop about it. They said Fujis can run a little smaller but we'll see.
The Fuji Cross is a great bike. I just got one. Looking at the price you probably are shopping at performance bike. I got the same bike (2003) from performance for $869. They will order the proper size for you and still keep the price.

I love the Fuji Cross but I have only had it for two months or so. The new bike smell is still there.
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i have an 2003 xr800...i dont have experience in any other bikes but this bike is performing well..have already done over 100+ km rides on it.

its equipped differently..ultegra rear, tiagra front mech (i dont even use the front mech anyway), tiagra levers which perform well..cannondale brakes - truvativ isis splined cranks though - and ive climbed some extremely nasty hills even though the gearing isnt set for climbing. not a bad bike imo but seems pricey at 1700 CAD $. too bad they came with cpx 21s instead of 22's like the brochure said..the coda saddle that came with it also sucked..switched it out for a selle italia gel transam prolink which also kinda sucks..but is good enough
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If anyone is interested in buying a used Trek Cyclocross bike in great condition please check out my we site for full details and photos:
http://home.comcast.net/~jroalson/index.html

It is a 55cm 2001 model for $600 obo. I paid $900 + I added Michelin Axial pro road tires to it valued at $100

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The local Performance Bike Shop told me they have the 2004 Fuji Cross in stock now. The rep told me that the componenets are upgraded for the 04 models. I plan to check in out on Sunday.

I am a bigger guy, 6' and 250 lbs. I have been riding my Trek Police Model mountain bike for the last few years but I am itching to go faster.

I have been toying with the idea of getting a road bike, a touring bike or a cross bike. I'm looking to move up from my 13 MPH avg on roads but still have a bike I can ride on blacktop and pea gravel trails.



The road bikes that have been recommended to me include Specialized Sequoia but all reviews indicate they have weak wheels for clydesdales. I assume that thr Cross bikes will have strong enough components to handle me.
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