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Old 12-19-07, 11:49 AM   #1
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Everti Odyssey Build

Hi, it's been raining for a couple weeks here in Seattle and I just can't bear taking my new bike out on wet roads, so I'll post a picture here:



Frame: Everti Odyssey CX butted/shaped Ti, 59cm
Headset: Chris King
Fork: Bontrager Satellite Elite Carbon CX
Front/Rear Derailleurs: SRAM Rival
Shifters/Levers: SRAM Rival
Chain: SRAM
Brakes: Shimano Disk R505
Crankset: Shimano Ultegra SL Compact Double 50/34 175mm
Cassette: SRAM 10-speed 11-28
Seatpost: Thomson Alloy
Saddle: Fizik Arione
Handlebar: FSA Wing Pro Compact Alloy
Tape: Stella Eleganza
Stem: Thomson X2 Alloy
Rims: Velocity Aerohead O/C 32 spoke
Hubs: Shimano XT
Tires: Maxxix Raze
Pedals: Shimano M540 SPD double-sided

Bike rides like a dream, but after you spend this much on a bike, I'm sure anything does. Great service from Everti.

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Old 12-19-07, 12:01 PM   #2
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You don't want to get your cross bike wet?

Nice bike though. Any particular reason you went with the SL crank instead of the regular Ultegra?
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Old 12-19-07, 12:05 PM   #3
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Any particular reason you went with the SL crank instead of the regular Ultegra?
The cool gray color, of course.

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thats an awesome looking bike. makes me want to get a ti frame
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A Titanium Poprad, complete with the Poprad fork! Looks great.
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looks amazing.
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I was all set to get a Poprad, when this shiny thing passed me going up a big hill on a local ride. I chased the guy down, found out it was a Ti Cx bike with disc brakes, and I was a goner.

Poprads look like great bikes for the money and I like steel almost as much as Ti. The only thing I was concerned about with the Poprad Disc spec was those low-spoke-count wheels.

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The Poprad wheels suck. I am researching custom wheel options now.

For some Poprad owners, front braking shuddering has been an issue, albeit hit or miss one. Do you notice brake shuddering in the front under hard braking?

If you do have it, then I suspect the fork, since it's not very stiff. If however your bike doesn't have the shuddering, I suspect it's the Poprad's low spoke count, paired spoke wheelset.
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Do you notice brake shuddering in the front under hard braking?
No, but not enough miles to be definitive. It's something I'm watching for as I've heard this about the Poprad and wondered if it was the fork causing it. I always got the impression that it tended to be on the rim-brake version though.

The forks on the 08 Poprad non-disc look like they'd be a lot more rugged and stiffer.

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The forks on the 08 Poprad non-disc look like they'd be a lot more rugged and stiffer.

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I've confirmed this to be so, as I test rode both. But the 08 canti version has TERRIBLE fork shuddering and it was really much more pronounced than it was in the disc version.

Again, I suspect the wheels, which are poor.
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I've confirmed this to be so, as I test rode both. But the 08 canti version has TERRIBLE fork shuddering and it was really much more pronounced than it was in the disc version.

Again, I suspect the wheels, which are poor.
I took a long ride yesterday and did some hard braking. No shudder or other brake problems. So this would support your theory that the problem is with the wheels.

Having said this, I'm not terribly impressed with these Shimano R505 brakes - lever pressures are higher than I think is optimal and they feel a little wooden. I think I'm spoiled by the BB7's I have on my Giant mountain bike which have a very light touch and superb feel. (Maybe too light - the first thing a friend of mine did on my Giant during a test ride was loop the bike on a tight downhill trail.)

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Mark, the Avid BB7 brakes are known to be strong than the Shimano. I have both.
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Sweeeeeeeet
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After a couple hundred miles, some further impressions which might be of interest to folks thinking of building up a new CX bike....

The Good:

1. The Everti butted/shaped 3-2.5 Ti really does a very nice job in the ride/stiffness compromise. The ride at the rear is especially forgiving. No feeling of whippiness or BB flex either. This would make a superb touring bike. Handling is neutral and nice. Everti advertises the Odyssey as their do-everything frame and this is an accurate representation.

2. The SRAM brifters, RD, and cluster work great. I really like the shape and action of the SRAM brifters and the shfiting is strictly snick-snick. Double-tap (misnamed IMHO) is a neat system and you adapt to it almost instantly.

3. Love the 34-50/11-28 gearing. I just leave it on the big chainring 95% of the time and treat is as a single-lever 10-speed. (I can use the entire rear cluster w/o having to trim the FD which is a good thing as SRAM provdies no trim on the big chain ring.)

4. The Ultegra SL compact crank is very rigid and looks great in the gray finish.

5. Didn't think I'd like Fizik Arione saddle, but it's a winner.

6. The SRAM 10-speed chain Powerloc connector gizmo really is pretty neat in how it works.

7. The Bontrager carbon fork is not terribly rigid, but is rides nice and I'm not getting any brake shudder.

The Bad (not much):

1. I really had to fine-tune the Rival FD to get it to work well. There is a +/- 1/8 turn fine adjustment of high gear screw that allows you to reliably shift to the big chain-ring without rub or overshifting. It's fine now, but I spent an easy two-hours messing with it. I was originally going to try a Ultegra FD, but got worried that it might not like the cable pull spec and lack of big chainring trim of the Rival brifters. If I did it again, I'd try the Ultegra FD.

2. The Shimano R505 disc brakes are noisy and have a metallic grinding feel to them. Don't work that great either. I think Shimano specs metallic pads for the front - I may look into different pads. Still feel like BB7's are a better disc brake.

3. SRAM says their Rival RD has the capacity to handle the 11-28/34-50, but its marginal at best. Using the standard big-big+2 chain sizing protocol, I can't use the smallest two gears in the rear cluster on the small front ring without the RD cage going limp. I may try removing a couple links, but the chain may be too tight in the big-big combo. I just don't think the Rival RD has the required 33T capacity.

4. Cost: Don't build a custom bike thinking you're going to save any money, at least not unless you have a bunch of free parts lying around. A Poprad (or any consumer bike) basically sells for the money you'd spend buying all the components - the frame goes for free.

I'm going to be putting a ton of miles on this bike.

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Bummer

Well, I guess I have to report the bad with the good and my beautiful Odyssey Everti frame is destined to become a weather vane in my back yard. During a routine strip down and refurbish, I discovered both seat stays are badly cracked on the inside hub side.




Since the cracks are essentially similar and occurred in the same spot on both sides, I think a crash overload can be ruled out (and the bike has never had a crash worse than a minor tipover anyway). It looks like a tubing fabrication issue or possibly it was simply under-designed for the loads. The seat stays on this bike are VERY slender near the dropouts and start to enlarge and curve about 40% of the distance between the dropouts and the seat - I suspect where they enlarge and start to curve is a high stress point. The Everti Odyssey frame is very light overall; perhaps it is more toward the ragged edge than most. In its feeble defense, I did put about 15K miles on the bike in 9+ years of regular use and I'm no lightweight at 210-lbs or so, but they were easy miles, almost all on tarmac or gravel paths.

Everti sold the frame with a lifetime warranty but they're out of business and the owner (Kurt Knock) has politely declined to do anything further.

Despite this experience, I'm still a Ti fan so I ordered and built up a new Habanero CX frame. Fortunately almost all my components could transfer between frames. I had to go to a smaller seat post but otherwise everything bolted across. So I came out Okay. The Habanero is a bit heavier but otherwise seems very similar in ride and handling. And I'll gladly haul around 8-ozs of extra frame weight if it avoids frame durability issues. (Its seat stays and dropouts look like bridge girders compared to the Everti.) I'll post up something about the Habanero in the Ti thread later.

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Everti sold the frame with a lifetime warranty but they're out of business and the owner (Kurt Knock) has politely declined to do anything further.
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