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    Bontrager carbon fork

    If you go here: http://wheelandsprocket.com/itemlist.cfm?pageId=422

    You'll see a couple of insanely cheap carbon forks w/ canti posts. I can't find any info on these. They're Bontrager Satellite plus, it appears, one with bzzzkill inserts one without, both have rack inserts. They seem to be oem forks, but for what? Anyone know anything about this model? The rack mounts make me think they weren't designed for cyclocross. And what's the deal with the bzzzkill thing? I can't find any reviews of these particular models, and no reviews of any satellite fork with bzzzkill. Also, from a pic on ebay:



    It looks kind of narrow.

    Whaddaya think?
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    they come in retail packaging, for what it's worth. though i've not installed it yet, i bought one of the non-Bzzzkill models. and yeah, they are somewhat narrow: you're not stuffing 42's with fenders. or even without. i think they're 1-2 year old overstock. but i expect to be content with mine, since it's for my group buy beater/commuter.

    if only the rest of my parts would show up.

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    So you don't know how the brakes get along with it yet? I was worried there would be a problem with the brakes just not being able to open up enough, with the pads hitting the inside of the fork.

    I'm thinking of putting it on my iro too but I'd be wanting to use it for racing.
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    i don't expect that to be an issue with my build, but that's more of a factor of the brakes i'm using. i'll take some pictures later tonight.

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    I've got the non-buzzkill version of this fork on my Soma Double Cross, and the brake clearance is OK--the challenge is getting the wheel off (Mavic A117 rims) with a 35mm tire mounted. It's possible, but just barely, with the brakes pressed hard against the inside of the fork. (Tektro Oryx, original pads.)

    Other than that it's fine. Rides well, looks cool, not to heavy, and absurdly cheap.

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    I don't understand, there's a 45mm and 41mm crown version of the non bzzzkill one. What's that a measurement of?
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    That's the diameter of the flat area at the top of the crown. The idea is you can match it to your head tube size for a smooth look.

    I emailed 'em to find out.

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    I bought one off of craigslist for $60 (non-bzzzkill) and just recently installed it on my Schwinn Fastback CX. It seems to be a fairly good fork from the few times I've ridden it. Like the previous post stated, you are at the limits getting a 35mm tire to fit past the brake pads without letting some air out. This is my biggest complaint about it. My stock fork was an aluminum one and I could easily get 42mm tires in with no problems, now I have to almost totally deflate it to get it in or out.

    Also the weight is not even close the 560 gm they publish. I weighed mine at 760 gm uncut and 729 gm after I cut about 30 mm from it. I can't complain too much for $60 though...

    I'm not really getting any brake stutter, but I took my time and set the toe-in on the pads, when I installed the fork.

    As far as racing goes, I'm not sure how tough this fork really is. I couldn't find a lick of info on it before I bought it either.

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    That's about the same weight as a high-tensile steel fork.

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    It may be heavy for a carbon fork but it's not that heavy. It's maybe as heavy as a chromo road fork.
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    Anyone know how much a Kona P2 cyclocross fork weighs? Debating swapping mine out on my Jake for one of these Bontragers, but not sure if the difference in weight (and ride quality) would be worth it...

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    IRD makes a good steel curved fork. Spec'd on Soma Double-Cross. I bet that's very comparable in weight. They make a straight blade, too, but I don't know how that compares. For myself, I'll take well-built steel over over budget carbon. Especially if the weight penalty is so slight.

    Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the pope View Post
    IRD makes a good steel curved fork. Spec'd on Soma Double-Cross. I bet that's very comparable in weight. They make a straight blade, too, but I don't know how that compares. For myself, I'll take well-built steel over over budget carbon. Especially if the weight penalty is so slight.

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    The straight blade IRD weighs in at 790 gm uncut (advertised), so it is indeed a very small weight penalty. Steel is always a good choice.

    In support of the Bontrager carbon fork, I think this is the same fork that Trek put on it's 2007 X02 cyclocross bike and also the Pilot series. I think Trek owns Bontrager, so it is natural they would use their own forks. Maybe if you want to find more reviews about the fork, you could look for reviews about the Trek X0 and/or Pilot. BTW, I tend to think the fork is fairly robust since it is on the heavy side and Trek has a name to protect.

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    So I've been poking around trek and it looks like the same fork (or very similar) was spec'd on the 2005 7700FX, 2006 7.6FX and 2007 7.6FX. So it was spec'd on an urban road bike type of deal.
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    I think this is also the same fork:

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2007/archive/xo2

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    On second glance, I don't see the holes for the fenders on the fork, so the XO might have a slightly different one.

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    They're both satellite plus, but that one on the xo is different. I wonder durability-wise if there's any difference. If they're the same basic model I would assume they'd be real similar.
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    Any updates on this fork? Anyone wanna post some pics? I'd just be curious to see it in situ.
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    still waiting on the rest of my ******* parts. ******. as soon as they show, i'll post a pic with a wheel, tyre and brakes.

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    Cool. I just got my brakes and freewheel so I'm ready to build, albeit with temporary cheap wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimJ View Post
    Cool. I just got my brakes and freewheel so I'm ready to build, albeit with temporary cheap wheels.
    yeah, i'm starting to get cheesed off. i ordered most of my parts (including wheelset) from an online vendor (who shall remain nameless, for they have given good service in the past).

    i placed the order on the 21st of last month. they charged my card (almost $500) on the 21st of last month. website still shows an expected ship date of the 26th of last month. contacted customer service, was told they had a backlog on the wheel building side of things, and the order should ship "tomorrow or the day after." which would be by the 2nd of this month. again, the website still shows an expected ship date of last freaking month. still no parts and no ship notification. everything else for this build (other than the frame) i've had within 2 days of ordering.

    it's not like i don't have four other bikes to ride. but i want to ride this one, darnit.

    sorry for the rant. i had to get it off my chest.

    maybe i need to lay off coffee for a couple days.

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    I put mine on my Kona Jake today. Got the cyclocross non-buzzkill one. Once I cut the steer tube, it weighed about 725g- the Kona P2 fork weighs 910g.
    The fork seems nicely finished. I think it differed from what's on Trek's CX bikes because it's a couple yrs old- there was a sticker on the steer tube that seemed to indicate it was made in 2006.

    I stupidly got the 45mm crown one, the smaller one would look slightly more streamlined, but no biggie.

    I'm running 32c Panaracer Urban Max's and Avid Shorty 4's, and the tire and brakes play nice within the fork legs. I moved the fatter spacer on the brakepad post outside of the brake, anticipating needing the clearance, but it looks like it doesn't matter.

    Took it up and down the driveway a few times and seems solid- will try and put up some pics tomorrow after its first real ride (hopefully 40-50mi).

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    couple brake/tyre clearance photos:





    tyre is a 700x30 Kenda Kwick, rim Velocity Deep-V. so you can see brake clearance is o.k. not the best, but far from the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklesandwich View Post
    Anyone know how much a Kona P2 cyclocross fork weighs? Debating swapping mine out on my Jake for one of these Bontragers, but not sure if the difference in weight (and ride quality) would be worth it...
    My disc version of the Project 2 fork with star nut, off a 58cm Sutra frame, weighs a massive 1086g!

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