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Old 11-18-03, 08:43 AM   #1
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Help! Need Small Cross Frame--Kona???

Damn cross frames are huge!!!

I can confirm what has been said on here before: Redline frames are indeed sized large. I made the mistake of buying a 48cm Redline Conquest Pro frame from Excelsports and, lo and behold, it's too damn big for me! I know, I know, that's the peril of buying a frame without riding it, but I have virtually no access to test ride frames. Even though there are a lot of bike shops here in NYC, they're generally run by a bunch of ****** and they don't have small sizes in stock and aren't willing to order them simply on the hope that you'll buy one. (I actually had a bike shop tell me I was "screwed" in reference to my search.)

So now, in addition to needing to unload a perfectly new (not even ridden--I could tell once the thing was put together that it was too big for me) Redline frame & fork, I'm back to square one in terms of a frame (although I can cross--no pun intended--Redline off my list).

My standover is 78cm. So now I'm looking at the Kona Jake in a 49cm. The standover is 75cm. Does anybody ride a small Kona frame? How do they generally measure up? Just to compare, my road bike (2002 Wilier Alpe D'Huez size small with sloping TT) has a 46cm C-C seat tube. Will the sloping TT on the Jake help me out with standover? Is 3cm enough standover for a cross bike? If you were me would you go even smaller, say a 46cm Soma Double Cross?

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Old 11-18-03, 09:26 AM   #2
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Wow. According to Redline's website, the standover for all sizes from 48cm to 60cm is 80cm/31.5". Sheesh.
In addition to the Kona, you should check out the Bianchi Axis 49cm although I'm not sure they sell it as a frameset. I'm 5'5" with 75.5cm standover and the 49cm Axis fits me perfectly.
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Old 11-18-03, 09:40 AM   #3
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You know, I looked at Redline webpage, and there measurements make no sence...
if all bike have a BB height of 28.5cm, the seat post is at 73degrees, that would make a 48cm have a standover of 29.2" (74.4cm) and a 50cm being 30.0"(76.3cm)
just a thought
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Old 11-18-03, 09:46 AM   #4
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Excelsports claims the 48cm Conquest Pro standover is 76.5cm and the 50cm is 77cm. Incidentally, I called Redline and the guy I spoke with there quite reasonably wouldn't offer a standover height, because it's related to tire size too. I trusted Excelsports' measurements. In another thread somebody wrote that he felt like the 48cm Redline frame felt the same size as 52cm Kona.
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Wow. According to Redline's website, the standover for all sizes from 48cm to 60cm is 80cm/31.5". Sheesh.
In addition to the Kona, you should check out the Bianchi Axis 49cm although I'm not sure they sell it as a frameset. I'm 5'5" with 75.5cm standover and the 49cm Axis fits me perfectly.
Yeah, I don't think it is offered as a frame set. So you're fine on the 49cm. According to the Bianchi site, the 2004 Axis in 49cm standover is 74.93cm. So you're OK with a 1/2cm of standover???
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Yeah, I don't think it is offered as a frame set. So you're fine on the 49cm. According to the Bianchi site, the 2004 Axis in 49cm standover is 74.93cm. So you're OK with a 1/2cm of standover???
Without shoes, my standover is 75.5/76cm, with my cycling shoes on it's 78cm. Since the Axis has a sloping top tube, the standover to the rough center of the top tube is just 75.5cm. 74.93cm may be without the tires . I'm comfortable with 2-2.5cm of clearance with my shoes on. Anything smaller and the geometry wouldn't fit the rest of my body without extra long stems and seatposts. I don't think extra long stems is a good idea for cross racing.

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Old 11-18-03, 10:24 AM   #7
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Thanks, BlastRadius.

Does anybody out there ride a small Kona? What's the geometry like? How does it feel to you?
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I do

I have the 49 Jake. My standover is 79 and my road bike is a 51. I am more or less very happy with it. I did have to go to a riser stem, as I couldn't get the bars high enough to avoid straining my neck. and I do have a little toverlap as well, but it's really only a problem at slow speeds on technical terrain. It's definitely nimble & quick and it fits me fine.
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Don't give up that frame yet! I've seen many of the pro crossers ride a frame a bit bigger than their usual road frame. Why? When you have to get your shoulder inside the triangle to grab the handlebar and run, it helps having a little extra room! I was hitting my elbow during practices, and got this tip from Paul Curley, a great crosser himself. I have seen that fact re-affirmed on some of the european crossers.
But if you are totally not happy because of the standing height, reply to me and I might just be interested on that frame.
Good luck, and hope you try cross... it's awesome!
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Check out the Interloc Cross frames. They make very small ones with sloping top tubes. I love mine.
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