Noob Qs: cross categories, racing, WSD bikes
Just looking into racing cross. What does UCI C1 refer to versus UCI C2? Are UCI events autonomous form USAC? Need a separate license?
It's hard to find cross info online this time of the year. What's the best resource for racing around the Philadelphia/New Jersey area? We've found Mid-Atlantic Cross' site.
Also, I'm looking for an entry/mid-level cross bike for my girlfriend. She needs a 49cm effective top tube length. Any tips are welcome, having a hard time finding a production bike that'll fit.
c1 and c2 are probably referring to categories (edit: this is wrong, see cardstock's response below). cat 1 is the fastest, down to cat 4 (which is where you'd be starting). uci and usac are separate organizations with slightly different rules, but i was able to use my usac license at the uci event i did last season (i'm not sure, but it might be that technically only the "elite" race was uci, it's worth checking with the race organizer).
this site will list most of the upcoming races:
here's where you'll go to register for races:
regarding small cross bikes, the motobecane fantom cross has a "size 49" although i don't see an effective top tube length on the site. it's probably also worth taking a look at some mountain bikes. if you find one that's not too heavy you could put some drops and bar end shifters on there. maybe some slimmer tires, and she's good to go.
Last edited by dirtyphotons; 07-14-08 at 08:11 AM.
Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
49cm top tube? that's tough...
the 44cm bianchi axis has a 50cm toptube. you might be able to use a shorter stem and make that fit pretty close to perfect. the 44cm redline conquest as a 51cm toptube.
i'm sure there are others...that's all i can think of right now though...
This all is really confusing the first time you go about trying to figure stuff out, because even in the rules there really isnt anywhere stuff is written down.
C1 and C2 events are different classifications of UCI events. A C2 event is Upgraded to a C1 event because of how a race happened the year before, and has alot to do with how many international racers it drew. At a C1 race, the points to the leaders are larger and go deeper into the finishers (15 deep (C1) versus 10 deep (C2)).
UCI is seperate from USAC events only for Elite racers (Cat1 or 2), and even then they are still USAC races (for american racers in the states). Some UCI events will not have races for every category, but since cross has become more popular, many of the races hold full days of racing for everyone. If you are racing in a category other than the pro/1/2 race (Elite) for cross, nothing changes for you at a UCI event other than the crowd.
If you are racing the Elite race, there a a couple things to know. 1. Not all elite races are open to Cat2 racers. Last year the USGP Elite races as well as cross vegas and some others were Cat1 races Only. The "B" race will be a Cat2/3 race. 2. At UCI races, you are allowed to have a pit mechanic, but technically they are required to be licensed. Some races are not super strict about it, others are. 3. For UCI Elite racers only, no disc brakes, only drop bars. 4. It is really effin fast, super aggressive and unlike any other races I have done. Super fun.
The licensee. Technically when you race as an elite racers in a UCI race, you are competing for points on a world scale, and you could be traveling outside the US to compete. So, the license you need to race as an elite racer in an UCI event is the USAC International license. It will be a license you can use for Road, Track, MTB and Cross. All your racing categories are on it. You just login to the USAC site and upgrade your license to an International license. You will have to fill out a waiver and fax it back with your birth certificate or passport in order to prove citizenship. This also gets you your UCI license number, which you need to register for an UCI event. You only need the international license if you are competing at the Elite level in UCI races. You can compete in Cat1/2 races that are not UCI races with a standard USAC license. This also applies to CX Nationals. You DO NOT need the international license to compete at nats in the elite race.
Shoot me an email with any other questions, I went through all this last year and it is really hard because there really isn't anyone to ask questions too.
benpopper at sbcglobal dot net
Last edited by cardstock; 07-14-08 at 09:28 AM.
That's an awfully short top tube to fit on 700c wheels. What kind of road bike does she ride?
Originally Posted by steaktaco
Hey Ben! Exactly what we were looking for—thanks.
Originally Posted by cardstock
To be honest, it's Tammie (don't know if you met her on xXx) who really wants to do CX. Our road season got shot when the local promoter cancelled 7 of our races, 3 of which were our target events for the season. It's a nasty scene in Philly right now. She wants to try cross to salvage the season.
It's all fortunate actually. Our racing situation gave me a chance to try XC (not racing). Some of the best, craziest trails in the area are a mile from our door. Looks like this:
Thanks. I think both of these frames are out of the budget... thinking entry level <1k.
Originally Posted by celerystalksme
Originally Posted by flargle
I think I'm building her bike up from scratch:
Scattante XRL 48cm w/ 51.7 top tube
Sette bars (72mm reach) and stem (80mm)
Sette straight post, Sette saddle
Rival shifters, rear derailleur, 12-26 cassette—good gear?
Avid 4 brakes—good? bad?
Single ring crankset, FSA Newtron BMX, 170mm 43T—good? bad? better ideas?
Forte Titan wheelset
Under 1k for the build. I can't really get a smaller bike for the that price... There's the Cross Check and the Volpe—their smallest is about the same size, but with longer cockpit components. With this build, the frame is 3cm longer than ideal, but I'm taking it back; 2cm from the stem, 1cm from the bar's reach.
And she wants a light bike with Sram. This might be the only way to go.
Last edited by steaktaco; 07-15-08 at 09:37 AM.
Originally Posted by steaktaco
the conquest sport can be had brand new for $700...and the bianchi axis can be had for as low as $900 at jensonusa.
Frankly, Mr. Shankly
Hey C -
That build sounds about right. She could always save moolah by using her existing saddle and wheelset (I used my Ksyrium SL's last cross season but am moving those to the new roadie and building up a new set for cross).
I run 12-27 on the cross bike in the rear though 12-26 will be just fine.
Any single ring crankset or double will be fine -- mountain, road, whatever. Most prefer a 42T in front but a 43T would be fine as well.
The Scattante seems to do well from what I've heard from those who have them.
Avid 4's - I had them and were great for the price. I got Paul's to replace them, mostly because I got a deal on them and I've always wanted something from Paul. Anyway, brakes are mostly or modulating speed for cross -- ideally, you want to run a course sans using the brakes at all if possible.