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    New Ti Cyclocross bike

    Since I first posted about the 2009 Fantom Cross Team Ti, I have had many PMs asking when the bike will be available. It is now on the way.

    I, of course, feel this is the best CX bike available under $2000. And actually would not be a bad deal with an aluminum frame; but with a Ti frame it is a very special bike.

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...m_cross_ti.htm

    Buyers that book prior to landing get an extra discount.

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    He's said before that he bought a red star with his other profiles, not to mention all of the side ads that he's thrown on here.

    I'm not a huge fan of the constant updates with new threads either, but the red star argument is kind of moot.

    You have to admit that it's a pretty good deal for a titanium ride, assuming there's a warranty of sorts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy View Post
    He's said before that he bought a red star with his other profiles, not to mention all of the side ads that he's thrown on here.
    then he can post these ads with the accounts in which he has a red star.

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    A few questions:

    I'm mostly looking for a fast and rugged winter commuter and utility bike.

    Will there be a disc equipped version for sale at some point, or a frameset only?

    What's the biggest tire there's clearance for? Will it take a 40mm studded tire?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3MTA3 View Post
    then he can post these ads with the accounts in which he has a red star.
    This is kind of a silly thing to argue, but come on now. If you look to the right, you'll see two ads that he paid for. I'm sure that both of those ads cost quite a bit more than a red star.

    Back on subject though. It'd really be nice to have all of this Motobecane stuff in a single thread. That way all of the answers are right there and not thrown sporadically around the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3MTA3 View Post
    then he can post these ads with the accounts in which he has a red star.

    we have a couple of accounts with red stars
    but I do not use those as I like seeing the ads on the sides

    also I am guessing BF management is not unhappy with our support of the site {which we intend to increase each year**

    I support the free exchange of ideas on BF
    and feel it is great for cycling
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmasher View Post
    A few questions:

    I'm mostly looking for a fast and rugged winter commuter and utility bike.

    Will there be a disc equipped version for sale at some point, or a frameset only?

    What's the biggest tire there's clearance for? Will it take a 40mm studded tire?

    Thanks,
    BigMasher
    I am fairly sure a 40c will fit; did not try it but looks like plenty of room [fyi - most CX frames and forks like these have 52c width - so a 40c leaves a bit on each side]

    We have disc wheels for CX on the way and standard equip on the Outlaw
    we have the disc equipped Aluminum CX bike in route [Fantom Cross Outlaw]

    The Ti bike may come in a disc stock version next season [Sept 2009]
    And we have plans for Ti frames starting next year around Summer; however a frame and fork will be $1200 on this model - so at the intro price of $1695 for an entire bike; I do not think many would buy the frameset.
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    So if i understand correctly, this will be the only Ti Cross offering for this season?

    I know you had mentioned an SL version in addition to the disc and framset option (which appears to be for next year). Will you offer other component sets with this frame (SRAM or Campy)

    Bottom line, I've got one in my shopping cart right now and want to make sure that I'm ordering the right one.

    BTW any idea on frame/complete bike weight? Are these on the boat?

    Thanks, this is a killer deal on a super nice bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigskyTi View Post
    So if i understand correctly, this will be the only Ti Cross offering for this season?

    I know you had mentioned an SL version in addition to the disc and framset option (which appears to be for next year). Will you offer other component sets with this frame (SRAM or Campy)

    Bottom line, I've got one in my shopping cart right now and want to make sure that I'm ordering the right one.

    BTW any idea on frame/complete bike weight? Are these on the boat?

    Thanks, this is a killer deal on a super nice bike.
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    this is the only one we will get in this season
    next year we will be looking into framesets and Sram equipped [no Campy until the Euro falls in value vs USD]

    complete bike is about 19lbs; it seems

    thanks
    you will love this bike and my guess is it will quickly become your favorite bike
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    how long is the stem?

    trying to match geometry to a 58 JTS. looks like your top tube is more compact than i'd like and I'm tryting to figure out if the 61 is too big.

    any thought to a longer TT? say 58 for the 58?
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    Oh yeah, any ideas on Head Tube length? that will make the call fe me between the 56 and the 58

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3MTA3 View Post
    Get a life. If he keeps the forum alive with financial support he deserves to post. BTW, how much financial support are you giving? Hot air doesn't count.
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    What is the head-tube length on the 61cm? I am ready to order, but need to know this part.

    Also, what are the frame weights?

    Thanks!
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    Looks like you're stuck with 130mm AND disc tabs. ULTIMATE FAIL.

    Guess I'm looking elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    Looks like you're stuck with 130mm AND disc tabs. ULTIMATE FAIL.

    Guess I'm looking elsewhere.
    For a guy with such a cute name you're pretty pessimistic. What exactly is the ULTIMATE FAIL? Somebody who tries to make a better product or someone who sits back and does nothing but throw insults?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    Funny nobody has mention rear spacing yet. Rear spacing please?

    If 135mm, great.

    If it's 130mm, there's no way anyone should be buying it. Why?

    1. 130mm spaced disc hubs are little to non-existent.
    2. You can't cold set aluminum to 135mm.
    3. 130mm spaced disc hubs means you have to buy wheelsets from BD if the wheelset is toasted. Forget that.
    4. Need to borrow a wheelset? Good luck finding 130mm disc wheelsets besides BDs or crappy Bontrager Selects (won't be available after this year when Lemond no longer sells the XC disc).
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    130mm disk hubs are available from a number of people including Velocity. This is a Ti frame not Al and coudl be cold set.

    What exactly is the problem with having disk tabs? Are you worried about the extra 10grams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
    For a guy with such a cute name you're pretty pessimistic. What exactly is the ULTIMATE FAIL? Somebody who tries to make a better product or someone who sits back and does nothing but throw insults?
    Funny you would commend the product before even seeing it or riding it for that matter.

    It's not an insult, it's criticism, this has been discussed and recommended by members here on the previous threads. Most 700c bikes with disc tabs on the market (besides LeMond Poprad disc, Redline Conquest disc, and Fetish) are equipped with 135mm rear spacing or at least 132.5.

    I'm not a BD basher or anti-BD, I was looking forward to ordering this bike, but with 130mm rear spacing, so far, I'm most likely looking elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    Funny you would commend the product before even seeing it or riding it for that matter.

    It's not an insult, it's criticism, this has been discussed and recommended by members here on the previous threads. Most 700c bikes with disc tabs on the market (besides LeMond Poprad disc, Redline Conquest disc, and Fetish) are equipped with 135mm rear spacing or at least 132.5.

    I'm not a BD basher or anti-BD, I was looking forward to ordering this bike, but with 130mm rear spacing, so far, I'm most likely looking elsewhere.
    Thanks for your input

    We are stocking CX wheels with 130mm spacing and disc hubs
    and we will be stocking at least 3 levels of wheels that work on 130 spacing with disc hubs

    This will become more common with other suppliers too; as disc on these style bikes increases in sales
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    Funny you would commend the product before even seeing it or riding it for that matter.
    I'm not commending the product. Read the post again. I'm commenting on your ULTIMATE FAIL comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    It's not an insult
    It is indeed an insult. If you don't like the bike don't buy it. Your remark ULTIMATE FAIL in all caps was intended to be an insult. If it wasn't you wouldn't have said it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    it's criticism, this has been discussed and recommended by members here on the previous threads. Most 700c bikes with disc tabs on the market (besides LeMond Poprad disc, Redline Conquest disc, and Fetish) are equipped with 135mm rear spacing or at least 132.5.
    If it's been discussed so much, why are you bringing it again?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    I'm not a BD basher or anti-BD
    You certainly can't tell from your remarks. If you really don't like the product then go out and design, build and market your own line of bikes. All the memberse who discussed and recommended 135mm spacing can buy your bike. It's easy to criticsize but hard to do something about it.
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    Sorry to jump in and I hope this isn't the wrong place to bring this up, but I saw that Mike mentioned an 853 framed version of the Fantom back in April. I wonder if that's coming any time soon and if a frameset might be available for that as well. My Fantom Cross pro is due here next week, and although I'm sure it will be a great bike, it's still aluminum. If I knew I could buy a steel frame before spring it would make me a very happy camper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
    Thanks for your input

    We are stocking CX wheels with 130mm spacing and disc hubs
    and we will be stocking at least 3 levels of wheels that work on 130 spacing with disc hubs

    This will become more common with other suppliers too; as disc on these style bikes increases in sales
    What sort of wheels and price points? I'm hoping for something with a light rim and a full spoke count. I have a 130mm disc bike. No problems so far other than hub availability.

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    What? Is BD selling at Macy's now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanS View Post
    Sorry to jump in and I hope this isn't the wrong place to bring this up, but I saw that Mike mentioned an 853 framed version of the Fantom back in April. I wonder if that's coming any time soon and if a frameset might be available for that as well. My Fantom Cross pro is due here next week, and although I'm sure it will be a great bike, it's still aluminum. If I knew I could buy a steel frame before spring it would make me a very happy camper.
    This post by BD is a bit more recent than April. I haven't seen any updates since then, but it looks like the steel bike won't happen anytime soon:

    Motobecane Fantom Cross Disc

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    Please post the head tube lengths. Thank you.

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