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Old 09-09-08, 01:06 PM   #1
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Considering Fantom Cross Ti: Yes or No?

So I'm about to pull the trigger on the Motobocane Fantom Cross Ti. Looks sexy and I like the parts. Should I do it? My size will be the 56 comes w/ 172.5 cranks, I'd rather have 175's. I think I'd rather have disc brakes to start with.

I'll be selling my 2006 Bianchi Axis that I like but I just don't like the tripple and due to the wide chain stays I cant find a replacement crank that will fit (Tried 4).

Just want some advice before I take the plunge on a bike I can't test ride. Thanks
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If youve checked out the geometry and it works for you, I'd say go for it... I'm not sure how much you'd notice the shorter crankarms in actual use. I'm 6'1 and ride 175's myself, but I've occasionally test-ridden my wife's road bike after tuning it up and her 170's aren't unrideable or anything.

I have a cyclocross bike with discs and love it, so I understand why you'd want one, too (especially in Portland!). Still, you're getting Ultegra shifters/derailleurs and some other worthwhile goodies to go with that titanium frame.

If you choose to upgrade to discs you'll just be out about $150 for the Avid BB7 roads (bikeisland.com) and $200 for a set of Mavic 719's with Shimano XT disc hubs (rockymountaincyclery.com). You'd still be at about $2000 total for the project. You can probably sell the Ritchey wheelset to recoup some of the cost.

Just my thoughts on the matter... Let us know what you choose to do.

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I was all set to buy the Ti Cross when Mike said that he will have a Ti Cross with discs next year. Hmmm.....
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Old 09-09-08, 02:27 PM   #4
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I would jump on one if I needed a new bike, and didn't have a custom builder who gives me bro deals.
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Old 09-10-08, 07:50 PM   #5
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Thanks for the advice.

I've got the Bianchi up for sale. If it sell I think I'm going to do it. Looks like a big upgrade from the Bianchi but I do like my Bianchi Axis. I don't know.... Maybe I'll just race the Bianchi this year and wait for the Ti w/ disc brakes that should come out next year....

I did ride the specialized tricross, $2400.00, and I liked it very much.
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Old 09-11-08, 08:25 AM   #6
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I just ordered mine the other day and can't wait to get it. I too wanted disc brakes, but I figure I can change that over myself without much of a problem. The BB7's are pretty cheap and yu cna get some 130mm disk wheels pretty cheap too. I also want to change over to SRAM or Campy, but again that cna wait. At $1700 for a Ti frame and full ultegra build I just could not pass it up. i've looked at other Ti crossers and you can really only get the frame for that price.
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What wheels and brakes are you thinking of getting? It is pretty sexy for the price. Little sand paper and take the name off.... perhaps?
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Ok, I'm thinking I'll get the Tricross and keep my Axis. I'll put a better set of Mountain Cranks on it, since nothing road wants to fit the wide chain stays.....

Good to have another bike for racing. Plus I have two friends I want to lure into cross and if I have a second bike that should be easier. Wont make me any faster.....I'm still going to be old and slow.
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I'm going to go with BB7's and maybe build the wheels with the DT Swiss hubs and Velocity rims in 32 hole. Either that or i'll just buy the cheapo's from bike island and somve up some cash to build some 303 pave with the DT hubs (how schweet is that?). CF rims don't make any sense to me for CX with rim brakes, but with a disc - nice.
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CF for cyclocross.... Yes I was looking at the 404 cyclocross rims that are coming out. Kinda sexy. If I wasn't old n slow they might make sense.

I'm trying to decide if I should get the Fantom in a 56 or a 54....

Inseam: 33 1/8 with no shoes, just socks. (shoes are Sidi dominator MTB shoes)

Height: 71 3/4 inches

I have a Bianchi Axis 57 CM frame with a 90 mm stem with a big up turn to it, to raise the bars up. There is 3" of seat tube exposed on the Bianchi. Bianchi seems a tad bit big but it isn't uncomfortable. I think a smaller frame would let me use a longer stem and not be so stretched out for Cross. I just started racing so I'm a beginner. I have a roadbike already.

I was thinking the 56 or the 54? The 56 would be almost the same as the Bianchi 57, and the 54 would be just over an inch shorter in reach, add 10 mm with a longer stem and about right, maybe. My current roadbike is a Scatante 57cm ultegra bike. I'm nervous I'll want a shorter stem on the 56 and I'm nervous the 54 frame will be too small. I think the 54 cm is only 1.2 inches smaller than the Bianchi 57.....
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I go about 88cm for the inseam (I'm 6'1.5") and went with the 56 hoping to get a slightly longer head tube. my roadie is a 57 and it fits great, but I what a more upright positon for CX without having a stack of spacers to deal with.
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hunt-man,

I have a Motobecane Alu cross bike (same geo), and am almost exactly the same proportions that you posted. I'm very happy with my 56cm. There are 19mm of spacer underneath my 110mm +7* stem, and the fit is perfect. Also, the saddle is almost all the way back, for proper (for me) knee-pedal position.

I realize that fit is very personal, but I know that I would not be able to get the saddle back far enough on a 54, plus the extra stem length would have my weight more forward than I would like for cross racing/off road shenanigans.

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Appreciate the replies. I am now totally confused. I went to my LBS and happened to get the shop bike fitter to help me as I looked at their cross bikes. He is exactly the same seat height as I am, same inseam, 1/4" taller than me. He's been doing this for years and has lots more experience than me.

He wants me on a 58 or a 59 frame.... WTF.... so he put me on a 57 Bianchi Cross Concept Race. He wanted me on a 58. He suggested that the 58 would have a little more head tube height for higher bars thus allowing for a straighter back position.... (Nice bike btw-rides smother than my Axis does) Wants me to come back and ride the 2009 58 all carbon Cross Concept.....

WTF? Over.....
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Appreciate the replies. I am now totally confused. I went to my LBS and happened to get the shop bike fitter to help me as I looked at their cross bikes. He is exactly the same seat height as I am, same inseam, 1/4" taller than me. He's been doing this for years and has lots more experience than me.

He wants me on a 58 or a 59 frame.... WTF.... so he put me on a 57 Bianchi Cross Concept Race. He wanted me on a 58. He suggested that the 58 would have a little more head tube height for higher bars thus allowing for a straighter back position.... (Nice bike btw-rides smother than my Axis does) Wants me to come back and ride the 2009 58 all carbon Cross Concept.....

WTF? Over.....
58 or 59 isn't ridiculous. I've ridden 58 and 56 in various brands, and have generally preferred the 56, but 58 is rideable. He is also correct, generally speaking, about the head tube height on a larger frame. I'd suggest riding both a 56 and a 58, and see if one feels more comfortable to you. In addition to making sure you're not too stretched out on a 58 or too bunched on a 56, make sure you feel balanced and confident on either size as well.
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I can't comment on the Bianchi, but frames run different by maker. I used to have a poprad and I rode a 55cm, but my Ghisallo from 2002 was an XL and I'm on a L for my Archon. You really need to find the correct TT length and then find the right HT length to get the proper fit.

justin - what is the HT length on that Moto?
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My head hurts from looking at geometry.... a few centimeters, 10 millimeters... 30mm = about 1.2"... Ugh ugh

I rode a redline 56 cm cross bike a friend has and that seemed fine. I really thought the Bianchi Cross Concept was a nice ride. Soft on the bumps with the same tire pressure as the Axis. My friend assures me that a Ti bike will have as good a ride or better as the Cross Concept...

Thanks for the input. I'm going fishing tomorrow for a few days and then a cross race x2 this weekend in Hood River OR. I'll make my mind up next week I guess.
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I can't comment on the Bianchi, but frames run different by maker. I used to have a poprad and I rode a 55cm, but my Ghisallo from 2002 was an XL and I'm on a L for my Archon. You really need to find the correct TT length and then find the right HT length to get the proper fit.

justin - what is the HT length on that Moto?

The headtube on my 56cm Fantom Cross (red) is 116mm, takes an integrated headset.
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