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    which is the better build?

    If the price is the same, which of these cyclocross bikes would be a better bang for the buck?


    Kona JTS

    Aluminum frame 60cm
    Wound Up carbon fork
    Chris King headset
    Ritchey Biomax bars 44cm
    Easton EA 50 stem 120mm
    Frogglegs brakes and in-line brake levers
    Campagnolo Chorus 9 speed gruppo
    Truvativ cranks 175mm
    FSA bottom bracket
    Crank Bro's pedals
    Easton CT2 carbon seat post
    Terry Zero saddle
    handbuilt Mavic Open Pro rims/Chris King hubs wheel set
    extra tires and innertubes.

    Redline Conquest

    1. Frameset: Redline Conquest 58cm
    2. Wheels: Velocity Fusion on Dura Ace hubs
    3. Bars: Ritchey Pro Ergonomic 44cm
    4. Stem: Ritchey Pro 12cm
    5. Chainset: Ritchey Cross 175mm 46/38 chainrings
    6. Chain: SRAM 8sp new
    7. Cassette: SRAM 8sp 12-32 new
    8. Rear deraileur: Shimano XTR
    9. Front deraileaur: Shimano Ultegra
    10. Shifters: Shimano Dura Ace 8sp
    11. Brakes: Empella Frogs Legs Cantilever
    12. Levers: Empella Frog Legs Top Mount
    13. Tires: Michellin Cross-Sprint
    14. Saddle: Avocet 02
    15. Post: Synchros

    Jamis Nova

    Components
    Component Group Shimano 105
    Brakeset Avid Shorty 4 brakes, Shimano 105 STI Dual Control levers
    Shift Levers Shimano 105 STI Dual Control
    Front Derailleur Shimano 105, top-pull/clamp-on 31.8mm
    Rear Derailleur Shimano 105
    Crankset Truvativ Elita Compact GXP, 36/50 teeth
    Pedals Crank Brothers Candy C
    Bottom Bracket Truvativ GXP
    BB Shell Width Unspecified
    Rear Cogs 10-speed, 12 - 25 teeth
    Chain Shimano CN-5600
    Seatpost Ritchey Road Comp V2, 27.2mm diameter
    Saddle Fi'zi:k Pave, chrome-moly rails
    Handlebar Ritchey Biomax II Road Comp
    Handlebar Extensions Unspecified
    Handlebar Stem Ritchey Road Comp V2
    Headset 1 1/8" threadless Aheadset

    Wheels
    Hubs Ritchey Aero Comp
    Rims Ritchey Comp Aero
    Tires 700 x 32c Maxxis Mimo CX


    Thanks!

    Tyler

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    Quote Originally Posted by flargle View Post
    Put these data in tabular form.
    huh?

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    Is that going to change the responses? I'm not being a smartass...i just don't see the point of wasting my time to make an excel spreadsheet when there are many people here who know much more about these bikes than i do...who can take 30 seconds and tell me which is the better deal...

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    If you're asking for help is it too much to ask that you put the data in a format that is easier for people to read?

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    I don't know what half of the things are...lol...which is why i was asking. One bike specify's what is what...the other just gives names of parts...i'm not sure what refers to what...

    oh well. i guess i'll just try elsewhere!

    thanks anyhow!

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    the Jamis is the best bang for the buck but the kona is a bad ***** build kit and if you can afford it, go that way and you will not regret it. Hell the wheelset on the Kona goes for close to $800 new alone.

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    Do King hubs even have a Campy cassette option?

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    i would go with the kona
    "Advantages Must Be Pressed, Disadvantages Must Be Overcome"

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    Thanks fellas! They're all priced about the same. There's also a Bianchi Axis for about $300 less than the aformentioned...I was leaning towards the Kona simply based on the research I was able to do online.

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    jesus. forums used to be the place to come get information. people used to be so willing to offer their opinion. did something crawl in your ass and die flargle? i mean seriously, if you don't want to offer an opinion...don't!

    obviously there are knowledgeable people in here who can simply look at the bikes...and know immediately what is what. it would take me hours of looking up prices...adding them up. i'm sorry. i'm a doctoral student who barely has time to type this response, let alone spend mindless hours looking up prices.

    i'm sorry for asking knowledgeable people something that they know like the back of their hand and can answer in a matter of seconds.

    hopefully you wake up on the not so grumpy side of the bed tomorrow morning.

    cheers.

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    Don't mind us. Cyclists are grumpy when we're not on our bikes.

    Seriously, though, try asking this same question on the commuter forum. The guys over there love to compare parts.

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    no worries. thanks andy!

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    because driving a car 5 miles to school in atlanta every day is a complete waste...so i thought i'd come find out what is my best option...thanks for reminding me why i'm still in school...

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    if i can ask, how much is that Kona, that thing sounds sweeeeet.

    if you couldnt tell, thats the one i would go for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flargle View Post
    Put these data in tabular form.
    Because the forum software handles tables so elegantly?

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    I personally like the parts spec on the Kona, but what is the bike for? If you are commuting in Atlanta, you might like mudguards or rack mounts. Those might not be present on the bikes you posted. Also, the Chris King wheelset means that that bike is fitted with a non-Campagnolo cassette which will make keeping it tuned up harder. The Redline has dura ace 8 speed. With that build, you are in big trouble if you break the right shifter. 8 speed is otherwise cheap and durable. The 105 on the Jamis is usually strong and tough but I don't think the wheels are that great for commuting.

    Whatever you choose, make sure you buy some tyres suited to commuting. Cross tyres are terrible on the road.

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    angryscientist, the kona is less than the '07 fuji cross comp leftover at performance bike :-)

    acorn, thanks for the advice. the bike will be mainly used for commuting. i actually don't know if any of those bikes have tabs for mounting those items.
    Quote Originally Posted by acorn_user View Post
    Also, the Chris King wheelset means that that bike is fitted with a non-Campagnolo cassette which will make keeping it tuned up harder.
    why?

    flargle, do you really have nothing better to do than lurking and creating drama?

    thanks again for all of the help fellas!

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    nevermind. you answered my question.

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    Jamis !!!!

    I went out and test rode a bunch of cyclocross bikes including the Specialized $1800 one, the Kona JTS and lots of others. When I rode the Jamis Nova Pro - it was far and away the best of the bunch.

    I bought it, I love it and wish I would have had the money to buy the SuperNova Pro.

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    Chris King does not make a hub with a Campagnolo freehub body. That means that you have to run a cassette designed for a Shimano freehub. In turn, this means that you will have to find one of the few Shimano freehub fitting cassettes with Campagnolo spacing. They do exist; the best way is to use spacers on miche cogs atmo. Or... you could do one of a couple of things to run the regular Shimano cassettes, such as run a Jtek shiftmate. Also, campagnolo 9 speed shifts Shimano 10 speed spaced cassettes pretty well in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flargle View Post
    No. Because those data are best shown in tabular form.
    You miss my point completely.

    My advice to you is that if you can't handle the method by which the data is presented like the rest of us, don't read it. This is a forum about bikes, not data analysis.

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    that kona is indeed a sweet build, but seems like overkill and ill-fitted for a college commuter... epecially considering you "don't know what half of the things are...lol" i'd also hate to see such a race oriented bike locked to a campus bike rack like a common huffy. har har.

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    flargle, your posts were deleted. please be more considerate or don't post at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    You miss my point completely.

    My advice to you is that if you can't handle the method by which the data is presented like the rest of us, don't read it. This is a forum about bikes, not data analysis.
    This thread is exactly about the analysis of (bike-related) data.

    If the OP had put his data in readable form, more people (perhaps even I, he should have been so lucky) would have bothered to make suggestions. As it stands, even just to compare wheels between the three bikes requires scrolling up and down.

    If the OP can't even go to the trouble of making his data intelligible, why should anyone bother spending time responding or even reading it? [This statement has wider relevance to life in general, including the pursuit of a doctoral degree.]

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    flargle, go away.

    tydaddy, that's a tough call. They're all good builds. I'm partial to the Redline because Redline was huge when I was racing BMX (and yes, I know today's Redline is not yesterday's Redline.) But it's only 8 speed, so... *shrug*

    ...

    Not that 8 speed is bad, mind you, but given your premise that price between the three is equivalent you won't get the most "bang for your buck" from an 8 speed bike when compared to a 9 speed or 10 speed bike.

    So that leaves the Kona and the Jamis. I'm a Shimano guy so I have no idea where the Chorus group sits in the Campy line up, but 105 is good stuff. I imagine Chorus is probably on an equivalent level as 105, but I'd be more tempted to go with the Jamis because it has the Shimano.

    YMMV.

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