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    Sram Rival Not Compatible with Mountain Derailleur....True?

    I've only read this one place and I'm trying to find out if it's in fact true. I didn't see any contact information on Sram's website. So someone tell me, can you use use Sram Rival shifters with a mountain derailleur?

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    not compatible. Rival is 10sp. mountain derailleur is 9sp. different cable pull per shift

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    I should have been able to figure that out.

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    Do you really think it matters to the derailleur how many gears it shifts? I'm using a road 10 speed 105 derailleur on a 9 speed drivetrain, I could use 10 speed Ultegra for that matter. The derailleur itself is not indexed, the shifters are. No reason it would not work. The overall width of the cassette and how far the dearilleur reaches or extends would determine if it would work.
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    I was asking primarily because I'd ideally like to run a mountain cassette/be able to tour with Rival. I'm GOING to figure it out.

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    The cassette is another matter, it would have to match the shifters
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    Right, but I'm thinking that I'll somehow use a very small chain ring up front and run something like a 1x10.....for touring.....we'll see.

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    IRD makes 10spd cassettes with MTB range. Now that SRAM has launched XX for MTB's, that should work as well, but at a healthy cost. The new XX rear derailleur is supposed to be cable-pull-compatible with SRAM road shifters.

    An even better option for touring, particularly in your case, is to go with a Shimano bar-end and matching long cage triple Shimano rear derailleur.
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    I have a set of bar end shifters that I was going to sell but I suppose I'll hang on to them. I wonder what the new XX rear derailleur will cost....That would be oh so sweet.

    Edit: It's 265.00.

    http://www.mbaction.com/ME2/dirmod.a...FC9D78224A41C0

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    Can anyone comment on this little doohickie? Wouldn't this solve my problem?

    http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Do you really think it matters to the derailleur how many gears it shifts? I'm using a road 10 speed 105 derailleur on a 9 speed drivetrain, I could use 10 speed Ultegra for that matter. The derailleur itself is not indexed, the shifters are. No reason it would not work. The overall width of the cassette and how far the dearilleur reaches or extends would determine if it would work.

    This is true for Shimano, where mountain and road components are generally cross-compatible, but SRAM has chosen to use a 1:1 ratio in their MTB line, and a 2:1 ratio in their road line. The mountain derailleur will move twice as far per shifter click as the road derailleur if both are mated to a SRAM road shifter.

    The OP may want to look into a shiftmate or a respaced cassette with a Shimano der. if he/she is bent on using Rival shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eogie View Post
    Can anyone comment on this little doohickie? Wouldn't this solve my problem?

    http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm
    EDIT: yes, #5 shiftmate + shimano long cage derailleur + rival shifter should be good.

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    Excellent, will I be able to use a Shimano mountain derailleur? I suppose that would be a problem. Thanks.

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    Nevermind! The whole 9 spd 10 spd difference thing.....

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    Can you point me towards a rear derailleur that can accommodate a pretty large rear cog? I'm looking at the Ultegra long cage and it only goes up to 27.

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    Sounds like this might do the trick. Has a chain wrap capacity of 36 teeth.

    http://aebike.com/page.cfm?action=de...=30&SKU=RD9911

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    You should be able t o use one of SRAM's 11-28 road cassettes. That's a pretty wide range.

    Any road derailleur should be able to handle it. The estimates of max capacity are conservative.

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    Sounds good. I wish I would have bought the compact rival crankset rather than the standard. Makes things even trickier.

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    I think the XX looks like a fantastic option for the road. Consider the 30-45 in front with an 11-32 in back provides a top gear equivalent to a 52/12.7. That's plenty big for century-type rides: at 120 rpm this is 61 kph. Beyond this may as well coast anyway. 50 rpm @ 30/32 = 1.64 m/sec, which at a 20% grade = 1180 meters/hour, which is still a considerable effort (consider Contador climbed Verbier @ 1860 meters/hour). @ 15% it's still 885 meters/hour, around 3 W/kg. So nothing wrong with those gears on a road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eogie View Post
    Nevermind! The whole 9 spd 10 spd difference thing.....
    You can use a Shimano 9 speed derailleur with a 10 speed shifter. In fact, Shimano shifters/derailleurs are pretty much intercompatible. The issue with Sram road and mtb gear, as has been previously stated, is that the cable pull is incompatible. Thus, you cannot use a Rival shifter with an mtb rear mech without fixing that, just as you can't use a Shimano 8 speed 600 derailleur with Dura Ace 8 speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djconnel View Post
    I think the XX looks like a fantastic option for the road. Consider the 30-45 in front with an 11-32 in back provides a top gear equivalent to a 52/12.7. That's plenty big for century-type rides: at 120 rpm this is 61 kph. Beyond this may as well coast anyway. 50 rpm @ 30/32 = 1.64 m/sec, which at a 20% grade = 1180 meters/hour, which is still a considerable effort (consider Contador climbed Verbier @ 1860 meters/hour). @ 15% it's still 885 meters/hour, around 3 W/kg. So nothing wrong with those gears on a road bike.
    I agree, but I would use a road compact with 46t & 34t to keep cost down. Even for loaded touring a 34t Chainwheel & 32t rear cog offers low enough gearing.

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    Can you use STI shifters with a top pull MTB FD?
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    If they are Shimano then yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynikal View Post
    If they are Shimano then yes.
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    Hypothetically you can, but I've heard of a lot of people having issues with mountain front derailleurs and getting the indexing "just so" with STI levers.

    Now if you're using a bar end, which is friction, it doesn't even matter.

    Basically all of this crap kind of sucks, and shifters are expensive. I'm going 1x9 with a kelly take-off on my cross bike this season, I think. KISS.

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