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Old 08-02-04, 06:06 PM   #1
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Using cyclocross for touring/cyclocross/road racing

I am wanting to get another road bike, but I also wouldn't mind a touring bike, or cyclocross bike. I am wondering if a cyclocross bike would in fact be suitable for road racing? I see that they have alot of the high end specs of road bikes e.g. Shimano Ultegra in some cases. I would have wheelsets with 700x23c tyres I would put on etc when racing. I would have a wheelset for cyclocross/touring, that I would change tyres on, Unless i need different spoke-count wheels for each. Any thoughts on this? I am thinking a compact crankset (34x50) and use a tight ratio cassette for road racing, and a large one for touring etc, to avoid needing a triple.

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i'm not sure a cyclo-cross bike would be the ideal choice for road racing, particularly crits. it has a fairly high centre of gravity, and the angles are feirly slack compared to a roacing machine like the soloist. it's not about the bike, of course, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
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Depends on the type of racing, check out Colango road bike geometry it looks a lot like cross bike geometry. BB height is usually only about 10-15 mm higher, not a deal breaker, and you'll have a bike for multi use.
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Wouldn't BB height be a factor in crits in the sense that it would allow you to pedal through easier? This is good stuff, it's what I need to know. Perhaps I would be better off getting one for just off raod stuff and touring?

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And as an after thought - it would make for a nice training bike yeah? more comfortable?
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A CX bike would be better at touring than at racing.
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That's just what I'm trying to do, but having said that, I don't really road race anymore (just a few time trials, duathlons, and maybe noe road race a year).

I've just bought an on-one Titanium Cyclo-cross frame (www.on-one.co.uk), and have built it up with Ultegra double equipment. I have a 38/48 chainring set-up, and was going to keep a 12-27 cassette for cross, a 12-32 for touring, and a 12-23 for racing.

I haven't tried it yet, but if it goes well, I may sell my road bike.
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I think you can get away with any type of riding with a cross bike, training, touring, racing and of course CX. It will be best suited to Touring and then to longer road races. The geomotries are often considered slack and comfortable so that would be fine on a RR but you may notice a loss of performance in corners and sprints in crits. But still if your budget only allows you to have one bike I think a good CX bike will do it. My experience is going from a touring bike to a racing bike and the CX bike in theory is inbetween that. I noticed an incredible ability for the racing bike to handle sprints and controlled high speed cornering.
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Wouldn't BB height be a factor in crits in the sense that it would allow you to pedal through easier? This is good stuff, it's what I need to know. Perhaps I would be better off getting one for just off raod stuff and touring?

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I don't ride crits, but my fixie is a converted crit frame. The increased BB height of a dedicated crit frame is a huge plus when you are forced to pedal through corners. In that regard, I think a cross frame would be a fine choice for racing. To me eye, cross bikes have longer wheelbases for a given top tube length as compared with road racing bikes (a function of slacker head tube angles and higher BBs). I suppose a short wheelbase is important for riding in tight clusters with others (teamwork or peloton riding). There is also a significant weight difference between a dedicated road and cross racing bike.

Trying to find one frame to accomodate many styles of riding is noble quest. The "ride what you brought" philosophy works well for amateurs. You may eventually find that you may need a dedicated machine for road racing or whatnot...in the meantime, a cross frame seems like an excellent compromise. Just make sure you get one with rack/fender mounts!

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I have some 30mm 700c road racing wheels atm..... I am going to get some training wheels that i will also use for crits (sprint strength) @ 32spokes 700c. I am thinking a third wheelset for touring/ CS? with a higher spoke count? SO I have 3 sets of wheels.....then all I would need to do is buy frames without wheels but with drive trains....? What sort of wheels does a CX bike come with? im pretty lost here...... I also want to get some aero wheels for TTing.. so yeah

I will end up with:
Cervelo TT bike (have)
Roadracing bike, maybe Fuji? (will buy without wheels)
CX bike (may buy without wheels, may buy with.)
42spoke? or so wheels that come with cx bike, or bought seperately.
32spoke 700x23c wheels for training, crits, hill climb. (to buy)
20/24 spoke 30mm Velomax Road Racing wheels. (came with cervelo)
HED JET60 TT wheels (to buy)

I know it's alot of money, but over time would this give me the perfect riding arsenal of bikes and gear for anything I want to do? wether its TTing, Road racing, Touring, or CX?

Oh yeah...do some shops allow you to buy a bike without wheels at a discount and they sell the wheels seperately? OR will I have to buy the bike and sell them myself?

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For CX, I used to use my road racing wheels: Dura-Ace 9spd hubs, 32h, laced to Mavic Open Pros. They were fine - I didn't have any problems with them staying true.

I need dedicated wheels now, as my new frame is a 135mm OLN, so I will build these up with slightly beefier Mavic CXP33's, but they'll still only need 32 spokes.
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Thye accomodate the wider tyres fine I take it? So in effect I'll need some beefy touring wheels, and all my road racing cr@p?

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