04 Poprad- couple of questions
I am more than likely picking up an 04 Lemond Poprad this week. Contrary to my earlier posts, I have decided to keep the drops- at least for the time being. I took it on a test ride and it was much more comfortable than my cannondale road bike that I recently sold.
Couple of questions:
1) any significant differences btw 04 and 05? I can’t see any that justifies the ~$200 savings by going with last year’s model.
2) I want to use this bike for commuting and fitness rides. Any tire suggestions? I have a mountain bike (yeti fro) but I also want to give the cyclocross thing a shot. I am guessing I will use the poprad 80% road 20% dirt.
3) Depending on the cost, I may purchase another set of wheels to switch btw road and offroad use. Any suggestions of a relatively cheap way to do this? Would the stock rims be better suited for road use or offroad? I tend to think the latter but if I end up skimping I may use the stock wheels for road and buy a set of cheap wheels for offroad as they would tend to be more exposed to damage.
4) Finally, I was sized for the 52cm poprad- coincidentally, the one the lbs had left. I am 5'10" with a 30" pant inseam. My previous road bike was 54cm which I thought was a little small. I fit a 17.5" mountain bike perfectly. The lbs told me that due to the higher bottom bracket a 52cm poprad does not equal a 52cm road bike. Am I getting hoodwinked?
Thanks in advance.
The 05 model (which I recently purchased) has a carbon seat post, frame is a different material. Perhaps a few other minor stuff, but not $200 worth I think.
I also ride 80% road, 20% dirt. I bought a second pair of continental gator skins for road use. I wouldn't buy a second set of wheels until you get your riding habits down. For me the 20% on dirt is weekends only, so the 15min each time to swap tires friday night and sunday night is no big deal.
Get the same size frame as you would for a roadbike. I think the BB is not higher on the Poprad like some other CX bikes. The only frame measurement difference would be C-T vs. C-C for seatube. I have a 57cm poprad, am 6'2" with 33" bike fit inseam.
I don't think you are getting hoodwinked, but perhaps there is some confusion. Get the Lemond catalog and this has various frame dimensions shown. What did your test ride tell you?
I just picked up a '03 Poprad for a decent price from thge local shop. I figured the components could be upgraded as they failed or as I felt necessary. I think the frames have stayed pretty much the same for the past few years - the sales manager at the LBS said the components were all that had been upgraded. He also said the Poprad had a higher BB, but I have not measured, nor am I worried about it.
When I was sized for the bike, I was pretty surprised by what fit best. I ended up with a 57cm frame even though my inseam is 34". I tried a 61cm Redline Conquest that felt OK size-wise, but it was aluminum and not as forgiving ast the Reynolds 853. The 61cm was a bit too big for a 'cross bike for me but would have worked as a road bike. I also tried a 58cm Specialized Allez that fit OK, but it didn't ride as well as the steel. The 57cm Poprad was a perfect fit, and I am very pleased with the way it rides, so far. I think the Poprad frames are pretty generous in their sizing - I figure the 57cm is a couple cm smaller than what I normally might look for in another brand.
I'm also thinking of going to two sets of wheels/tires. But that's just the gearhead aspect of my personality - I don't know if I really need a road set. Time will tell.
Have fun with the new bike! I'm convinced that the Poprad is one of the best, most comfortable, most versatile bikes out there.
That is interesting regarding frame size. I have a 33.5" bike inseam and am 6'2". wrenchscience.com formulas indicate I should ride a 59cm frame. The LBS sized me up with a 57cm Poprad. It feel great to ride, but sometimes I think I feel a bit crunched, on the drops, hoods and very much so on the tops (I feel awkwardly upright on the tops) But I don't know if this is mental or real as I come from a mtb (configured so I really stretched out on it) and my other bike was a 62cm touring bike I got secondhand which was clearly to big (negative crotch to topbar clearance).
The other data point from wrenchscience is the Overall Reach (top tube + stem) - for me WR indicates 73.9cm, the 57cm Poprad with stock 120mm stem has an OR of 69.8cm.
The very important bottom line however is that frame sizing is not a formula, its a personal fit for how one uses the bike - not only that, but these WR formulas are for roadbikes and not for CX style riding. In any case it makes me wonder, especially because I often feel like I want to stretch out more on the bike when on the road.
This whole thing about getting the right size is pretty interesting. When I got my first serious bike in 1970, I straddled the top tube and didn't hurt myself, so the size was just right. Last week when I was testing bikes, the shops made at least three seat adjustments before they would let me take a ride. It took me longer to get set up for a test ride than it did to buy my first bike three decades ago.
I guess the moral is that you have to try them out to see if they will work for you. And the other thing is that over the next few months as I learn to ride and develop my own style of riding, the setup of my bike will change. Maybe I'll need a new stem or maybe some seat adjustments. Or maybe repositioning the brakes or maybe altering the handlebar angle will add to the right fit.
It's interesting how many variables there are that go into getting the right bike. I guess you just have keep tweaking until it feels right. Of course, then something will change and you'll have to make some type of adjustment.
As far as the original thread, if the bike feels like it fits, and if it has room for some adjustment, then it is probably the right size for you.
Sorry for the ramble.
There are pretty substantial differences - well worth $200.
105 shifters - not that Sora garbage
cyclo cross specific chainrings on an ISIS crank/bb
Aside from the seatpost these are differences between 03 and 04, not 04 and 05.
Originally Posted by ed6061
This is a link to the 04 model with specs:
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the 04 is full 105 and is a damn nice bike for the price. The select wheels that they come with are nice and strong and will be great for on and off road. It will come with cross tires so I would reccomend a set of 25's for the road, gatorskins are good tires. I believe you will need a smaller frame but check the Lemond site for that one
The 'O5 is True Temper OX Platinum vs. Reynolds 853 in the '04 and prior. Nice stuff, but so is the 853. Save the $200.
I bought a set of Neuvation M28 Aeros for the 23c road tires - great wheels for the money - the pic below has them with the Vredestein 28c knobbies. I also have a OP/105 combo for the bigger knobbies.
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I have an '04 poprad, 52cm. Im the same measurements as you and it fits me great.. I may shorten the stem a bit, but maybe not.. im right on the line. anyway, the differences are a few carbon parts on the '05, different tubing (both top of the line) different paintjob and different cranks.. I ride it on the road but take any trail I see (its my MTB upbringing) and use the stock Jones cross tires for everything. Compared to my MTB this setup flies onroad, so I kept the knobbies for tose unexpected fun trails I see along the way. The stock wheels have held up fine sofar, and unless youre 200+lbs, they should hold up.. I just took my bike on a 1200 mile tour and it was comfortable the whole time. the 52 is def your size.
oh yeah. . . keep the drop bars.. Youll come to love cranking while in the drops, its a roadbike afterall!!
~Steve good luck!
Thanks for all the replies. I just took my 04 poprad home yesterday. I ended up getting fitted and the 52cm was indeed spot on. The 55cm did not provide necessary clearance in the stand over area. I am planning on keeping it all stock including the tires. My wife is getting a trek 1500 road bike and I think the knobbies may even us as she is a bit slower than me. Once she starts getting faster, I will change out the tires or get a second set of wheels. In the short riding I did yesterday, I can already tell I made a good choice and a happy addition to my bike stable. Thanks.