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    Motobecane = Fuji

    I know... beating a dead horse...

    Fantom Cross Pro vs Fuji Cross Pro

    If you line the components up , its not just the frame -- its the entire bike build, down to the no name stem and post (fuji calls them "fuji forged," and the degree is off by 1) -- even the saddle is just re-badged.

    Seems to me the only difference is the BD comes with significantly better wheels.

    Am I missing something?

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    Read the parts pick and then decide , they may be contracts with the same guys,
    but get different paint. and parts ..

    parts is parts, YGWYPF. sometimes.

    buy at BD means you have to do the Setup that the dealer would normally do..

    once you have it in your hands Redo the Assembly , entirely.

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    I never knew the frame geometry was that similar (exact?). That helps in deciding as I love Fuji and the fit.

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    No they are not the same frame. Compare closely, especially the downtube. The same is true of the Fantom cross CX vs the Fuj cross comp - there have been claims that the frame is the same but it isn't if you inspect closely.

    You can get the Fuji at a pretty low price at end of season sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
    No they are not the same frame. Compare closely, especially the downtube. The same is true of the Fantom cross CX vs the Fuj cross comp - there have been claims that the frame is the same but it isn't if you inspect closely.

    You can get the Fuji at a pretty low price at end of season sales.

    Mike, the owner of BikesDirect, has said that they are the same. On some of the down tubes Fuji uses a more triangled shape tube and the Motos use just round tubing but it is still the same materials. Underneath the bar tape on my Fantom Pro CX the padding had the "Fuji" logo.

    As the others have said, parts are parts. I saved over $1000 by buying my bike online vs what my local Fuji dealer wanted for the exact same bike.

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    This bikesdirect thing never stops, does it?
    Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness.

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    Just having the same material doesn't mean much. Having the same geometry is a step closer, but tubing shape makes a difference in the way a bike rides.

    FWIW, my local Performance Bike still has a couple of the '09 Fujis.

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    direct thing will always be a topic just the simple fact or pricing. we are all price greedy and wantt he cheapest price. So bikes direct will always come up becuase they are just that much cheaper cost wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biken View Post
    Mike, the owner of BikesDirect, has said that they are the same. On some of the down tubes Fuji uses a more triangled shape tube and the Motos use just round tubing but it is still the same materials. Underneath the bar tape on my Fantom Pro CX the padding had the "Fuji" logo.
    too bad the padding didn't say S-works on it, think of how much money you would have saved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by black_box View Post
    too bad the padding didn't say S-works on it, think of how much money you would have saved!
    what's s-works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garilia View Post
    what's s-works?
    Specialized

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    Quote Originally Posted by emayex View Post
    I know... beating a dead horse...

    Fantom Cross Pro vs Fuji Cross Pro

    If you line the components up , its not just the frame -- its the entire bike build, down to the no name stem and post (fuji calls them "fuji forged," and the degree is off by 1) -- even the saddle is just re-badged.

    Seems to me the only difference is the BD comes with significantly better wheels.

    Am I missing something?
    The BD bike comes with a different frame too. It seems to be a common misconception around here. The Fuji Cross Pro has a diamond shaped downtube, the Motobecane is round. I have a Fuji, I've seen the Motobecane. They are certainly NOT the same frame.

    Is it the same frame as a 2005 or so Fuji? Possibly. But it's certainly not the current Cross Pro frame. Mike says and does a lot of things that are a bit sketchy. Fuji has used the diamond downtube since 2007 at least.

    But it's not unusual, badge a 4 year old design as new via a rebadge and troll for the gullible.

    Quote Originally Posted by biken View Post
    On some of the down tubes Fuji uses a more triangled shape tube and the Motos use just round tubing but it is still the same materials.
    Try all the Fuji's. Same material as in "aluminum" ? I wouldn't bet it's the same alloy.
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    All bashing and kidding aside, BD offers a lot of value for the dollar.......... I see some people riding them around here, and they are nice bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCrew View Post
    The BD bike comes with a different frame too. It seems to be a common misconception around here. The Fuji Cross Pro has a diamond shaped downtube, the Motobecane is round. I have a Fuji, I've seen the Motobecane. They are certainly NOT the same frame.

    Is it the same frame as a 2005 or so Fuji? Possibly. But it's certainly not the current Cross Pro frame. Mike says and does a lot of things that are a bit sketchy. Fuji has used the diamond downtube since 2007 at least.

    But it's not unusual, badge a 4 year old design as new via a rebadge and troll for the gullible.



    Try all the Fuji's. Same material as in "aluminum" ? I wouldn't bet it's the same alloy.

    Not sure how you can say they are not the same when they have the EXACT same geometry - lengths - heights - wheelbase etc etc etc.

    But the one thing BikesDirect did change (along w/ the lower price) was to swap out those crappy stock Alex rims on the Fuji for Mavics on the Moto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biken View Post
    Not sure how you can say they are not the same when they have the EXACT same geometry - lengths - heights - wheelbase etc etc etc.

    But the one thing BikesDirect did change (along w/ the lower price) was to swap out those crappy stock Alex rims on the Fuji for Mavics on the Moto.
    Same measurements don't make it the same frame. Obviously different tubing, possibly different alloy.
    You're starting to act like a fanboy. Next you'll be telling me how I can save over 50% if I buy one like the website says. Funny, my 09 Fuji Cross Pro with Aksium wheels and full Ultegra cost with tax $50 more than BD "sale" and then I got $150 back in team points. Same bike at Performance yesterday was $1100 with 10% off and then 10% in team points after that. BD hell of a deal for those armchair shoppers, I tell you.

    But, anything anti-bd always brings out the fanboys like seagulls on a french fry, so have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biken View Post
    Not sure how you can say they are not the same when they have the EXACT same geometry - lengths - heights - wheelbase etc etc etc.

    But the one thing BikesDirect did change (along w/ the lower price) was to swap out those crappy stock Alex rims on the Fuji for Mavics on the Moto.
    No offense - I have one of the BD cyclo bikes - but they are not the same frame. The Fuji is double butted and fairly light, I checked one out. I don't believe the BD is butted at all, and hence is thicker and heavier and possibly not as strong. Also, I have seen the Fuji pros in Performance with aksium wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
    The Queen of England's crown is metal.
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    Makes sense to me!!!

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    I owned a windsor cyclo purchased from BD. It was spec'd exactly like the '09 fuji cross comp with the same geometry, diamond shaped downtube included. The only difference was that it didn't have the 'fuji' stamps on the seat post and stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyWy View Post
    I owned a windsor cyclo purchased from BD. It was spec'd exactly like the '09 fuji cross comp with the same geometry, diamond shaped downtube included. The only difference was that it didn't have the 'fuji' stamps on the seat post and stem.
    And I own one - it doesn't have the same frame as the Fuji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
    No offense - I have one of the BD cyclo bikes - but they are not the same frame. The Fuji is double butted and fairly light, I checked one out. I don't believe the BD is butted at all, and hence is thicker and heavier and possibly not as strong. Also, I have seen the Fuji pros in Performance with aksium wheels.
    Are you talking about the Windsor Cyclo? This thread is about the Motobecane's and they are double butted frames that are identical to Fuji.

    Anyway, I am no fanboy, I was just pointing out that Moto's = Fuji, same specs, same parts, built at the same factory, same geometry, same wheel base, same head-tube and seat-tube angles, same bottom bracket heights, same seatposts, same stems, same handlebars, same same same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biken View Post
    Are you talking about the Windsor Cyclo? This thread is about the Motobecane's and they are double butted frames that are identical to Fuji.

    Anyway, I am no fanboy, I was just pointing out that Moto's = Fuji, same specs, same parts, built at the same factory, same geometry, same wheel base, same head-tube and seat-tube angles, same bottom bracket heights, same seatposts, same stems, same handlebars, same same same.
    Look at the frames. The windsor Cyclo = Motabecane Fantom Cross = Motobecane Fantom Cross CX (forks differ). None say they are double butted (and they would say so if they were). The Fuji doesn't look like any of these nor the Fantom Cyclocross pro (which it says is butted), just look at the down tube.
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    I own a 2009 Fuji Cross Comp, and even rode it to my LBS today to pick up some parts. In their small shop was a brand spankin' new black Moto Fantom CX being built up for a customer. It is not the same frame, but I seriously doubt that it causes any safety issues and at worst may be heavier - by how much, I don't know. I am not a metallurgist, like some of you.

    The point is, while the physical characteristics of the frame may differ, the geometry appears to be very close, if not the same. After seeing a Moto in person, I'm not as impressed as I thought I would be. I've had my eye on the Fantom Cross Pro for a while now, and frame aside, like the component group. Still tough to beat the price.

    EDIT: FWIW, I built a Cyclo-Beast out of a Performance MTB frame and Vuelta Zerolite wheels. The frame is only 'butted', and is solid. I don't know how much weight you want to save on a frame, but it doesn't seem worth it to fuss over an additional butt unless you are a hardcore CX racer. As for the Vuelta wheels (and OT), I'll shill it up and say I could not be more pleased with the durability, weight and appearance.
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