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Old 07-06-11, 08:20 PM   #1
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Giant TCX 1.0 for half the price? bike-sales.com review

I've been searching craigslist like a maniac for small bikes. And this site seems WAY too good to be true.

http://sale-bikes.com/products/Giant-TCX-1-2011.html

Has anyone had experience with this site??
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Old 07-07-11, 04:07 AM   #2
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It's registered in Indonesia. You may want to avoid it.
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Too good to be true is right!

I'm guessing it's direct from the source, so to speak. Indonesia to You. Might want to move to Jakarta though, in case there is a need for a return.
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Their prices on groups are also ridiculously low. Often times I send off a message in the Contact Us portion of the site to clarify any questions. Pay with PayPal and it greatly reduces risk of financial loss. Only real risk is cost of shipping back if it turns out to be made of cardboard.

EDIT: $120 shipping to Colorado - makes it seem like the price is more in line with what a BD bike costs, but still on the low end.

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Their prices on groups are also ridiculously low. Often times I send off a message in the Contact Us portion of the site to clarify any questions. Pay with PayPal and it greatly reduces risk of financial loss. Only real risk is cost of shipping back if it turns out to be made of cardboard.

EDIT: $120 shipping to Colorado - makes it seem like the price is more in line with what a BD bike costs, but still on the low end.
I contacted them also and questioned their prices. This is their response:

Thanks for visit and contact our official website sir. We are wholesaler, so we can give that prices for our customer sir.

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Promo Discount Bike
http://www.sale-bikes.com
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They also assemble the bikes before shipment in the second email. I did a massive search on reviews on that site, and nothing came up.
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Btw, shipping to NYC is also $120.
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I received a similar response. The deal seems legit, just far away and a pain to return. The showstopper is the shipping. IF everything is as it seems then this is still a good deal, but would prefer to work with someone closer like Bikes Direct for maybe slightly lesser components. Not willing to lose $240 in shipping - seems like a one way trip where you roll the dice and deal with what you got.
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I received a similar response. The deal seems legit, just far away and a pain to return. The showstopper is the shipping. IF everything is as it seems then this is still a good deal, but would prefer to work with someone closer like Bikes Direct for maybe slightly lesser components. Not willing to lose $240 in shipping - seems like a one way trip where you roll the dice and deal with what you got.
Why worry about returns? If this really is legit, just sell it on ebay or craigslist. You'll make more than what you paid for from this site.
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Why worry about returns? If this really is legit, just sell it on ebay or craigslist. You'll make more than what you paid for from this site.
These are the same bikes everyone else sells, except they've paid to ship them and so pass that cost on to you. BikesDirect does this all the time, of course.
Giant bikes in the US are the same as those cranked out of their factories in Asia. Since they make most of the bikes in the world, anyway, it's a safe bet the same can be said of everyone else.
With this, you simply are not paying for all the middleman costs associated with franchised LBS distribution.

However, you're right - even with shipping from Indonesia you aren't going to come up short on resale.
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Please don't misinterpret this, but when you start factoring in all the excess costs and hassles of the overseas deal and consider the prospect of sketchy people in China or Indonesia or wherever. Why wouldn't you just go to your favorite IBD and buy it from him. The costs are close, he needs the business, appreciates the business, works on your bike, and is there to deal with any unforeseen issues you have with your bike. I know those are intangible costs, but it would be better for the bicycle industry and you can feel good about helping a local business.
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Please don't misinterpret this, but when you start factoring in all the excess costs and hassles of the overseas deal and consider the prospect of sketchy people in China or Indonesia or wherever. Why wouldn't you just go to your favorite IBD and buy it from him. The costs are close, he needs the business, appreciates the business, works on your bike, and is there to deal with any unforeseen issues you have with your bike. I know those are intangible costs, but it would be better for the bicycle industry and you can feel good about helping a local business.
The hassles you refer to are kinda slim from where I sit: you pay, they ship, bike is yours. Not really any deal breakin' hassles.

Now, you must be sure that what you buy is what you want - you cannot take it back to the local bike shop (LBS) if something isn't to your liking. People who buy from overseas vendors must be flexible.
Secondly, you need to know which end of a screwdriver to hold. Unless you can start paying bike mechanics to do minor set up/tuning, maintenance and other tasks, you need to know how to work on a bike.

So why do it? To save money. Some people are willing to give up the intangible beneficence you mention so as to save hundreds of dollars. That money will be needed, too, for all the stuff you gotta have - that no one ever mentions: tires, tubes, flat repair kits, new seats, chains, helmets, shoes.....
Everyone's wallet is different.

From what I've seen, though, the best reason to buy direct is bang for your buck. Bikes today are mass produced in Asian factories. There isn't much difference between them, from one price point to the next. We like to THINK there is, and the bike companies sell that notion pretty hard.
But what is happening is that the makers hang off-the-shelf components on line-built frames. They assemble them in the same factories and pack them, 80% ready, in cartons for shipment. Everyone does it. Giant makes 70% of the bikes in the world... for all kinds of names and labels. Unless you are buying a true custom bike, this is how it works.

So, it is pretty much a cookie cutter business. But, thanks to the economics of scale, you can spend "X" amount of money and get better component fit buying direct. It's a better overall package for the rider, often providing a significant step up in quality over bikes from the "name" brands.

This is actually kinda good for the bike business, if you think about it. They're usually tied to just a few bike lines, thanks to franchise territories. This means selections may be limited. Bikes are low margin items, too. The don't make huge profits on them.
So you can buy a bike from them if they have one you want, or get one direct - and they can sell you all that stuff mentioned above. They can probably fix a few things for you if needed, too. They make more money on accessories, parts and service, anyway, to hear them tell it. Then, you can still support local businesses and end up with a better bike to ride.

It's a decision each has to make and there is merit in either path. What gets me is the idea that because these folks are from Indonesia, they are automatically shady or sketchy.
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The shady aspect about this is that I've seen SEVERAL other websites with very similar website layout that sell bikes. I forgot to bookmark them when I saw them, I'll post them later.

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What gets me is the idea that because these folks are from Indonesia, they are automatically shady or sketchy.
Ignoring of course the fact that it's being sold retail at less than dealer cost @ wholesale, so it HAS to be on the up and up.

The old adage "when it's too good to be true it probably is" should never be ignored.
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I think this says it all.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=4036

Some guy lost over 10,000 bucks!
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I think this says it all.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=4036

Some guy lost over 10,000 bucks!
Yeah, that is a sure thing. Some random guy with 2 posts says it happened to him....

But the more I think about it, the more I suppose you folks are right. I probably would buy from BD or RBI before sending money to a random overseas supplier. Let THEM bring 'em in for me. So I'll take back all that stuff I said about looking for a bigger bang for your buck

I was wrong. It's probably safest to stick with the local bicycle boutique. You can walk out with the same things, pay an @ss to get them but feel good about all the value you're getting!

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Oh yes, I'm sure it's perfectly legitimate and the bikes didn't ride out the back door of a warehouse or off the back of a truck.
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Seems you can pay with paypal. That adds some relative security.
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Seems you can pay with paypal. That adds some relative security.

Paypal adds very little security - virtually none compared to a credit card.
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I can pretty much settle this. If his pricing on the bike is the same as on wheels he is fake. I live in indianapolis and have toured the zipp factory so I know in fact the entire wheel is made in the that factory. Now the price on the wheels on that site are below what it cost the dealer greatly almost 50% below wholesale
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Read up on the manufacturer's website regarding these types of sales. I've seen it with Trek and Specialized, too, and Trek's policy boils down to
"If you find our bikes sold online it's either counterfeits or some other scam because we only sell through authorized retail shops who don't sell online per our policy."

Not sure if Giant is the same way.
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Satria Nugroho also runs max-cycle.com which has the same interface and underpricing. On max-cycle and sale-bikes.com he also has wayyy underpriced trek bikes so I would avoid him at all cost.

Name Satria Nugroho
Company sale-bikes.com
Email Address andikalich@gmail.com
Address Jl Keriahen No123 Other, Other,
City Medan
State/Region/Province Sumatra Utara
Zip 20141
Country ID
Tel No. +62.620000000
Fax No.+62.620000000

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