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Old 06-13-12, 05:23 AM   #1
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Race Wheelset Options

During my last race of the year, I suffered a pinch flat and didn't have a spare wheelset. Because of this, my wife authorized the purchase of a some new cross wheels...it's now time to cash that in.

I've considered Novembers FSW-CX: http://www.novemberbicycles.com/fsw-cx/
I've got a set of their RFSC 58's that I'm pretty happy with, and you can't argue with the price.

I'm absolutely open to suggestions, but I definitely want tubluars. Thoughts?
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Neuvation's tubular set looks really good to me. Under $400 the pair with the extra warranty (which replaces the wheel even if the damage is from a crash), 22mm wide rim with a groove for the seam, and looks like under 1400g the pair. With 24/20 spoke count, I personally would spend the extra $50 for peace of mind. But based on the experience of people I know, I don't think Neugent sells crap.

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Thanks, that looks like a pretty viable option...not a fan of the ugly-ass hubs, but aesthetics shouldn't be priority #1...

Some others I've found that I'm looking at, in case anyone has experience with them or is also looking for wheels:

Williams Cyclo-cross - $399/1590g
Rolf Prima ECX - $599/$1620 - spoke pattern caught my eye, how durable though? Internal nipples...
Handspun Alloy tubies with Major Toms - 1833g/$499
PSIMET - awaiting quote

Anyone have experience with wider rims vs more narrow? It seems like major toms are the go to rim for most of the handbuilts out there (November, PSIMET, handspun).
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You can't go wrong with a Major Tom based wheelset - Don't forget Boyd has a Major Tom build as well, "Black and Tan" wheelset.

http://www.boydcycling.com/black-and-tan-tubular/
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Major Toms or Hed Belgium tubie's laced to your hub of choice with your spoke of choice (DT champion, revolution, or Sapim CXrays). I recommend White Industries H2/H3. Solid, fairly lightweight, super reliable wheelset.
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Gluing on the tubular tires, the rim width will not influence the tire profile,
like it does with clinchers.
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Gluing on the tubular tires, the rim width will not influence the tire profile,
like it does with clinchers.
It does influence how much gluing area you have available.
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...not a fan of the ugly-ass hubs
I like the look of those hubs? :shrug:

What you're seeing here is: the Major Tom builds are all going to be at a certain pricepoint because they use a Velocity rim. I believe Neuvation gets unbranded hubs & rims directly from mfrs (or heavily discounted close-outs?) so the price does go slightly lower, for a slightly lighter wheel. You have to take it on "faith" that it's a good rim, but it is wide and does have that center seam relief, which are the two good things about the Major Tom rim.

I'm not trying to recommend one over the other; for example, I recently built up Major Toms on Dura-Ace hubs. Whichever way you go, you'll end up with a good wheel.
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Gluing on the tubular tires, the rim width will not influence the tire profile
...except while turning.
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...except while turning.
Exactly.
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I think I've narrowed it down to the Boyd Black & Tans or a Psimet build, either with bitex or white industries hubs...again, I can't decide.

Two follow up questions: Are the White Ind hubs worth the extra $$$ over bitex for cross applications? And, completely unrelated, what would be the narrowest road tire I could run with Maj Toms...you know, until the fall...
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Personally, i'd go with Boyd. THey are a pleasure to deal with and the build is top notch - although I can't speak for the Black and Tan, I opted for the 38mm carbons.

No doubt the Psimet builds great stuff, but communication is hit or miss based on his busy schedule supporting races and fulfilling orders.

I think either way you'll get a great wheelset, its just a matter of reliability of communcation between the buyer and seller/builder - Boyd wins in that department.
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...except while turning.
and then so does what PSI is in the tire matters too..
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and then so does what PSI is in the tire matters too..
Absolutely. I think it's at lowest pressures, though, where the wide rim has most advantage, because the tire is less likely to fold under and wash out.
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I think I've narrowed it down to the Boyd Black & Tans or a Psimet build, either with bitex or white industries hubs...again, I can't decide.

Two follow up questions: Are the White Ind hubs worth the extra $$$ over bitex for cross applications? And, completely unrelated, what would be the narrowest road tire I could run with Maj Toms...you know, until the fall...
I would'nt go narrower than the rim but should think a 25mm wide road tubular tire would work OK on a 23mm MT rim. You might just need to build up the sides of the rim channel with tire glue to ensure that the tire is fully seated to the rim and not leaving a gap at the edge. If in doubt, use 28mm tubulars for an even more cusioned road ride.
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