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    1000 mile review: Raleigh Twin Six, belt drive, IGH, CX

    This morning I officially crossed the 1000 mile mark (seven months) on the odometer of my Raleigh Twin Six, so I figured it was time for a review.


    Background:
    Iíve always wanted a cross bike even though I knew very little about the actual discipline until the last few years. I just always had a great appreciation for their versatility and simplicity. In early 2011 I tried to put my name on a limited edition Raleigh Hodala carbon fiber SSCX frame through my LBS. He is a Raleigh dealer and his Raleigh rep kept telling him I would get it as soon as it became available. It was my intent to build it as belt drive, internally geared CX. The rest of 2011 came and went and the frame never became available [to me at least], but I had my eyes on the aluminum version (Twin Six) just in case. In January of 2012 I was in a different shop that specializes in cross bikes and they had a Twin Six on the floor built up as a chain driven single speed. The frame was BEAUTIFUL. I went straight to my LBS and ordered the frame in my size. It arrived within three weeks, but it took another month to get the rest of the parts for my build. I told the LBS owner exactly what I wanted and gave him a budget of $3500. I think that all totaled (with some late component changes) I ended up just over $3600. I wanted as high quality and durable components as I could get without going overboard. I wanted to experiment with the Gates Carbon belt drive and Shimano Alfine 8 speed internally geared hub for a versatile, performance oriented bike that would be virtually maintenance free.


    Key builds components:
    Raleigh Twin Six SSCX frame
    Gates Carbon Centertrack Belt Drive
    Shimano Alfine 8 speed internal hub
    Jtek bar-end shifter.
    Avid Shorty Ultimate cantilever brakes
    The rest is mid-high end stuff that is really nothing particularly special.


    Frame and overall ride and handling: A
    The Twin Six frame is gorgeous. It is intended to be built as a SSCX belt drive race bike, so it doesnít have extra fluff like braze-ons for bottle cages, derailleurs, fenders and racks, or cable routing. I had to settle for zip-tie cable routing for the IGH, but it turned out clean and subtle. The opening for the belt is in the front of the ďUĒ of the track end. The seat-stay and chain-stay each have a bolt plate and they are tied together with four allen bolts. It is simple and elegant. The frame is painted matte black with gloss black, artsy and clever CX relevant decals under the clear coat. Itís difficult to represent how cool the graphics are in a photo because they donít photograph well. The fork is an all carbon Easton EC90X. As long as the headset is tight, I get no shudder in the front end. The ride is responsive, nimble, and quick. I donít remember ever riding a bike that I was this confident on. The frame is stiff enough to be really responsive, but still compliant and comfortable. I have it fit so that the most comfortable position is in the drops. I spend the bulk of my time in the drops. On long slow climbs, Iíll move to the hoods to breathe a little easier, and Iíll move to the hoods if Iím likely to come out of the saddle to climb. I never ride the tops. Iíve ridden it with four different sets of tyres on pavement, MUPís, well maintained gravel, poorly maintained gravel, sand, loose cobbles, singletrack, and the local cross course in conditions ranging from hot and dry to frozen with fresh snow. I estimate 50-60% of the first 1000 miles are on a dirt surface. On the road with road tyres, it does a pretty good impression of a road bikeÖ.but it is most defiantly NOT a road bike. For easy touring and low speed conditions, it is more comfortable and probably better handling, but it is slower, heavier, and less efficient. At higher speeds, it doesnít corner quite as well or feel as stable as my road bike, but itís geared such that Iím spun out just over 30mph so it really isnít a big problem. On gravel roads, the bike is amazing. I can now ride a gravel road with the same position and style as I would a paved road on the road bike. Bombing a gravel road in a full tuck in the drops at 45mph is pretty exhilarating. On the local singletrack the bike will hold its own against a hardtail mtb, but Iím not riding the most technical of trails. Any more technical and I would have to put a foot down more often than would be fun. Gearing is a little steep and the lack of tyre width makes some sections of singletrack challenging, but itís a cross bike so shouldering it to cover a short section thatís too loose or too steep to spin over isnít a problem. On the cross course the bike really shines. This is what the bike was intended for. The bike just eats up chicanes and slalom sections, is aggressive enough to be fast on the flats and straight-a-ways, and light and comfortable enough to shoulder with ease.


    Gates Centertrack Belt Drive: A-
    The belt drive is really what makes this bike special. It is so flippiní smooth you wouldnít believe. There is no perceptible stretch or loss of efficiency compared to a chain. Iíve not experienced a single tooth skip or dropped belt. When itís clean, it is dead silent. DEAD SILENT! However, it has not been quite as maintenance free as I would like. Iím finding that riding in particularly dry and dusty conditions (which are the norm here in CO); the fine dust tends to get in between the belt and ďchainringĒ and has begun to wear the anodizing off the ring and etch the belt causing some pretty obnoxious drivetrain noise. Iíve found that I can scrub the anodizing thatís embedded itself into the belt out with a toothbrush and water in about the same time it would take to service a chain, and it will get quiet again until I put some miles on the dry trail. Itís worst on the singletrack, but on the road and on the cross course, itís really a non-issue. Most of the time I just live with it or give it a quick shot with the hose. I expect to get at least three chains worth of mileage out of the belt even with the dust issue. If I were reviewing this product on a road oriented commuter bike, I would be giving it an A+.


    Shimano Alfine 8 spead internally geared hub: B+, A-
    This is my first experience with an IGH. Iím pretty impressed. Shifts are smooth and fast, although it does take some getting used to zero load shifting. Once you get a feel for putting a little hiccup in your shifting peddle stroke, it really is a pleasant mechanism. Itís tough to put into words how convenient being able to shift at a complete stop or while coasting is. Gear range is good for cross. It would be a little steep for mtb, and a little short for a true road bike. The gap from 5-6 is a little bigger than I might like. The reason I donít score it better probably has to do with how Iím using it. I donít think the designers at Shimano had trail riding and CX in mind when they developed their line of IGHís. Iím finding that the hub is almost as sensitive to cable tension as a derailleur and I donít always get 100% engagement, particularly downshifting from 4-3 and 3-2. Iím only aware of this when Iím on the trail or cross course though. If the cable tension is off and I havenít moved the shift lever fully into the detent to get 100% engagement, it will let me know, not immediately, but down the trail when I torque up on the crank to get over a hill. In a single fit, it will pop and buck violently to the next lower gear. On just a couple of occasions early on, I have shifted to a spot between gears where there is zero engagement. Fine adjustment of the cable tension resolves these issues, but it is not quite as fiddle-free as I was hoping it was going to be. The weight is also an issue and the reason I wouldnít give it better than an A- even on a commuter. The hub is a bit of an anchor and it does affect the handling of the bike. I think that stripped down for race day, the bike weighs in around 21.5lbs. Thatís kind of portly for a bike that can easily be built less than 16lbs as a SSCX and probably less than 18lbs as a 1x8. With a little practice, tyre changes are just as fast as on a derailleur equipped bike.


    Jtek bar-end shifter: A+
    This is a high quality product. It is all alloy construction and the detents are spaced accurately for the Shimano hub. There really isnít much more to tell. Itís simple; it works, and is robust. I was only able to find two options for drop bar shifting for the Alfine hub. The Jtek bar-end shifter and the Versa brifter. Price made the choice a no-brainer. I would have chosen the Versa-Alfine 11spd combination if it werenít more than double the price of the Jtek-Alfine 8spd combination. The only improvements I would make to the Jtek shifter is to shorten up the lever arm by 1.5-2cm and offer 11 speed compatibility.


    Avid Shorty Ultimate Cantilever brakes: A
    I told my builder that I would spare no expense on brakes. If it meant cutting the budget elsewhere, I wanted the best brakes. The ASUís are another fantastically constructed product. They give me all the stopping power I could want. The arms can be set wide for more power or narrow for better modulation and feel. Many people set the front for power (and clearance) and the rear for modulation, but I have them both set as you would typically set the rear and I have no complaints. There was a little squeal early on, but some minor pad adjustment has corrected that. The brakes are solidly constructed and I havenít noticed any flex in the cantilever arms or need for constant adjustment. The installation instructions are not the best, but once they are set up, they are fantastic.
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    Nice review. Nice bike too.

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    Interesting. I dig those frames. If I ever decide to ditch my Pompino in favor of something a bit lighter for racing it would definitely be on the short list. I have definite lust for Shorty Ultimates too.

    FWIW I know a dude who toasted the chainstay on his carbon Hodala frame in the course of one race from tire rub (wheel wasn't in straight).

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    Quote Originally Posted by marqueemoon View Post
    Interesting. I dig those frames. If I ever decide to ditch my Pompino in favor of something a bit lighter for racing it would definitely be on the short list. I have definite lust for Shorty Ultimates too.

    FWIW I know a dude who toasted the chainstay on his carbon Hodala frame in the course of one race from tire rub (wheel wasn't in straight).
    I'm actually kind of glad I didn't end up with the Hodala. Even though I'm a believer in the black stuff, I don't know that it would have been the best choice for my size/weight and style of riding. It would be cool for SSCX on race day, but not for everyday. Besides that, it turns out there are actually fewer T6 frames than Hodalas and they have been discontinued for the 2013 model year, so I ended up with a more unique frame anyway. The Raleigh rep for this region tells me there were only two or three [counting mine] sold in CO. There are at least six Hodalas [they all got snapped up by pro and semi-pro racers].

    The Ultimates are pure sex when it comes to brakes I was sorely tempted to have a custom built steel or titianium frame just so I could accomodate discs, but the T6 was sooooo sexy on the showroom floor that I couldn't resist. As it turns out, I'm awfully glad I didn't go custom just so I could have discs. There really is no need. I may feel differently if I spent much time in the mud, but I live in Colorado and well.....naturally occuring mud is a rare thing.

    When I first discovered the frame, I had no idea that it was a collaberation with the Twin Six clothing company or that Twin Six even existed as a company. There are a couple of good photos of the black on black graphics on their website
    http://www.twinsix.com/gear/mens-tec...frameset-new#1
    When I discovered the Twin Six website I just had to order the matching T6 Wooly merino long sleeved jersey. It is by far the nicest piece of cycle clothing I have ever worn. I feel a bit goofy having a "kit" that matches the bike, but it's so comfortable and functional that I suffer through
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    Nice bike.
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    Hi - thanks for the detailed review, three questions:
    1. What size rear cog and front chainring did you choose for the Gates?
    2. Did your LBS have to spread or otherwise modify the rear drops since the Alfine as a 135mm width?
    3. How well do the brakes work in wet conditions?
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRideISmile View Post
    Hi - thanks for the detailed review, three questions:
    1. What size rear cog and front chainring did you choose for the Gates?
    2. Did your LBS have to spread or otherwise modify the rear drops since the Alfine as a 135mm width?
    3. How well do the brakes work in wet conditions?
    Thanks!
    1. I'm almost certain the rear is 24T. The front is either a 42T or 39T. I will check tomorrow.
    2. No modifications to the frame were necessary. It all goes together like it was intended to go together. However, since the frame is intended to be SS, there is no cable routing for a shifter cable, so I had to settle for zip ties and a fully shrouded shifter cable.
    3. Really couldn't tell ya because wet conditions just don't occur very often in my neighborhood, and when they do, I'm usually not on the bike. I haven't raced it, so artificially wet conditions are a mystery as well. That being said, I have been nothing but pleased with the Shorty Ultimates. The overall braking feel is the most pleasant of all my bikes. The SRAM Red brakes on my road bike feel stronger, but are kind of touchy (you KNOW you've pulled the brake lever). The disc brake I put on the front of my tourer (Avid BB7 road) has great modulation, but don't feel as powerful. The Ultimates seem to be the best of both worlds.
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    Thank you for the response! Did you find out if the chainring is 42T or 39T? And would you change either front or back cog/chainring size if you could, or you like the ratios as is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRideISmile View Post
    Thank you for the response! Did you find out if the chainring is 42T or 39T? And would you change either front or back cog/chainring size if you could, or you like the ratios as is?
    I checked and I'm running a 50T - 24T combination. This was the recommendation of the guys from Spot for a cross bike. I'm pretty happy with the ratios for how I ride the bike. The low end is pretty much perfect. Anything that is too steep to spin over, and I'm shouldering the bike anyway. The top end could be a little taller though. I'm spun out between about 28-31mph depending on how good I am feeling, but I'm not willing to sacrifice any of the low end just to be able to keep up with roadies on a descent.

    The ratio gap between 5-6 is a little bigger than other gears, so there is inherently a speed window that will have me between gears just above the mid range. This is a fairly common complaint with the 8 speed hub. The Alfine 11 speed hub has a little bigger range as well as more even spacing, but it also costs a lot more, especially when you include the cost of the Versa brifter. Jtech doesn't make a shifter for the 11 speed hub.
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