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Recreational Cyclocross and Gravelbiking This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like :The Dirty Kanza". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

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Old 12-21-13, 01:46 PM   #101
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Do you have two Moulden customs or are the photos of a blue and a black bike the same bicycle? Both are awesome looking bikes.
The Moulden got fresh powder last fall... the original paint was trashed and I wanted to build up a stealth bomber so went with a flatter black powder and some new reflective black decals are in the works.

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It is a great bike... the hurricane tyres are really versatile as they roll out very quickly on the road @ 75 psi and when I hit the trails will drop them down into the low 40's so they get a better bite.
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Old 12-21-13, 05:35 PM   #102
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white bar tape on a gravel grinder? You must like brown.
Agreed.

One 50-75 miler on our muddy spring Minnesota roads would make your new bar color brown.

Permanently.

Btw The Fuji, All City and the Salsa all look like great choices guys. Very cool!
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white bar tape on a gravel grinder? You must like brown.
There's one in every crowd...

I'm not gravel grinding! lmao... city cycling.

Besides, Salsa does it so... it must be right!:


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Old 12-22-13, 04:19 AM   #104
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Wanted to be able to use a 32 or even 34t cassette if the situation called for it. Think I have a 32 on it right now. Plus it opened up a lot of options for wheels at the price point I wanted to spend.

A few recent pics, still need to get the rear rack on it, wanted to make sure I had the rear brake dialed in first. I do think a new saddle may be in order for the spring.



Can't you use a Campy long cage rear? Velomine has a nice selection of very affordable wheels with Campy compatible hubs. Whatever you do good luck. That is a really nice bike.
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I'm not gravel grinding! lmao... city cycling.
There may be more than one! You did post in, "show us your Gravel Grinder."
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Can't you use a Campy long cage rear? Velomine has a nice selection of very affordable wheels with Campy compatible hubs. Whatever you do good luck. That is a really nice bike.
A 32t on a campy long cage would be iffy. I've heard a few accounts of people claiming to have made it work, but Campagnolo cassettes max out at 30t sizes and 3rd party versions that are bigger are few and far between not to mention expensive from what I recall. I wanted as close to a 1:1 low gear as I could manage for some of the steep rollers we have around (yes they can be found in N. Texas, and the guy who coordinates our gravel rides often goes looking for them. Not steep enough to need a 1:1 if I was on a road bike, but with the gravel you really can't stand and mash a gear so sitting and spinning a really low cog is the best bet. The shift-mate isn't perfect, but it's about as good of a solution as I was able to find when I did this build.
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question about gravel bikes:

I have a Pake C'mute steel cross/commuter that I built up as a mutt with random parts. it weighs a ton (at least it does to me, 150 pounds of skin and bones)! It has friction 2x9 shifting. I mostly use if for commuting to work but I also take it on long road rides and I would like to do some gravel grinders starting with the Texas Chainring Massacre in January. This bike can handle 40mm+ tires but I think it's overkill. I do not have the space or the budget for multiple bikes, so I need a true do-all bike that can handle the above duties. I have a mountain bike for true off-road riding.

I would like to get a more road-ish bike that can handle a rear rack for commuting, but will take some gravel-worthy tires for the occasional gravel race. I have been eyeing the Novara Verita and, as an REI employee, I can get a great deal on it. I can probably sell my C'Mute and get a Verita with that money. the Verita should be able to handle 28mm tires with the included fenders and I think I can get some 32mm knobbies in there without fenders. I am going to experiment with that today. the medium Verita has a 540mm ETT, 70.5 HA and a 73 SA. that's a slack HA! if 32mm knobbies fit in that frame and fork, would the geo of that bike be suitable for the occasional gravel race, or would the handling suck?

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I have a Pake C'mute steel cross/commuter that I built up as a mutt with random parts. it weighs a ton (at least it does to me, 150 pounds of skin and bones)! It has friction 2x9 shifting. I mostly use if for commuting to work but I also take it on long road rides and I would like to do some gravel grinders starting with the Texas Chainring Massacre in January. This bike can handle 40mm+ tires but I think it's overkill. I do not have the space or the budget for multiple bikes, so I need a true do-all bike that can handle the above duties. I have a mountain bike for true off-road riding.

I would like to get a more road-ish bike that can handle a rear rack for commuting, but will take some gravel-worthy tires for the occasional gravel race. I have been eyeing the Novara Verita and, as an REI employee, I can get a great deal on it. I can probably sell my C'Mute and get a Verita with that money. the Verita should be able to handle 28mm tires with the included fenders and I think I can get some 32mm knobbies in there without fenders. I am going to experiment with that today. the medium Verita has a 540mm ETT, 70.5 HA and a 73 SA. that's a slack HA! if 32mm knobbies fit in that frame and fork, would the geo of that bike be suitable for the occasional gravel race, or would the handling suck?
At 150 lbs you can ride a smaller tire at lower air pressure than a larger rider. A 700x32 tire would work very well on almost any gravel road or path, even badly maintained trails that are not too steep. A 700x28 tire might require very good bike skills and slower speeds on badly maintained trails, but it could be done.

The Shimano BR-R650 brake is a long reach brake with a reach long enough for a 700x32 tire. If the fork and chainstays are designed for a larger tire, a 700x32 should fit.

The slack head-tube angle might cause the steering to feel slow, but that's not a critical issue on gravel.

The bike might be ideal for you.
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Old 12-23-13, 11:43 AM   #109
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The Shimano BR-R650 brake is a long reach brake with a reach long enough for a 700x32 tire.
yup, just tried it. A 32mm knobby fits both front and rear. No room for fenders or mud though. 35mm slick maybe. I took it on a long test ride and that bike is smooth! I see now what people mean when they say that a slack Ha slows down steering." At speed going downhill, it's extremely stable, really holds its line. Not exactly "nimble" but it is confidence-inspiring.

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My new 29er will see double-duty as a gravel rig.

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I would like to point out here that I believe "gravel grinding" will probably be the bike riding of the future due to more roads, particularly in rural areas, being abandoned due to lack of maintenance caused by budget cuts and lack of resources.
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question about gravel bikes:

I have a Pake C'mute steel cross/commuter that I built up as a mutt with random parts. it weighs a ton (at least it does to me, 150 pounds of skin and bones)! It has friction 2x9 shifting. I mostly use if for commuting to work but I also take it on long road rides and I would like to do some gravel grinders starting with the Texas Chainring Massacre in January. This bike can handle 40mm+ tires but I think it's overkill. I do not have the space or the budget for multiple bikes, so I need a true do-all bike that can handle the above duties. I have a mountain bike for true off-road riding.

I would like to get a more road-ish bike that can handle a rear rack for commuting, but will take some gravel-worthy tires for the occasional gravel race. I have been eyeing the Novara Verita and, as an REI employee, I can get a great deal on it. I can probably sell my C'Mute and get a Verita with that money. the Verita should be able to handle 28mm tires with the included fenders and I think I can get some 32mm knobbies in there without fenders. I am going to experiment with that today. the medium Verita has a 540mm ETT, 70.5 HA and a 73 SA. that's a slack HA! if 32mm knobbies fit in that frame and fork, would the geo of that bike be suitable for the occasional gravel race, or would the handling suck?
If the Verita deal doesn't work out, I'd suggest a Black Mountain road frame. Supposed to fit 33's. For brakes, Paul Racer brakes can be used for the fatter tires.
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I would like to point out here that I believe "gravel grinding" will probably be the bike riding of the future due to more roads, particularly in rural areas, being abandoned due to lack of maintenance caused by budget cuts and lack of resources.
Agreed. Cycling is returning to its roots, one way or the other.

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Fitting some fatter tires to the typical Randonneur / Touring bike and hitting gravel.
Dry gravel here in SoCal.



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If the Verita deal doesn't work out, I'd suggest a Black Mountain road frame. Supposed to fit 33's. For brakes, Paul Racer brakes can be used for the fatter tires.
Here's a 28mm (actual width) tire on the front of my BMC:


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I've posted this picture before, but here's my Cross Check. Was intended for chip n' seal riding and not a true gravel grinder, though a swap to fatter tires would fix that. LBS and I worked out a build about about a year ago with 105 groupset. Other than normal seat adjustments, I've changed very little.

Once the weather turned nice and the crud was washed off the roads, I did drop to 25mm tires from the 32s that are shown. I did redo the decals so they pop a little more.

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As of yesterday I can now call this my gravel grinder:



I took it out yesterday on the Oregon's Perry Roubaix route. I didn't really get the whole gravel grinder scene before, but now that I've done it I do see. It was a blast.

My 700x35 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes worked great for this route, even when the gravel turned chunky with no bare strips in the road. I'm not sure they're the kind of tire I would recommend, but they worked.

My rear shift cable snapped 32 miles into the ride and I ended up limping back to the start with the chain on the 14T rear cog. I was really glad to have a triple at that point.
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What bars are those? They look very compact.

I'm going to try and sell my redline conquest and get something steel for gravel/touring.
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Those are the stock bars from the Jake. I think it's a trick of the camera angle. They're not quite as compact as they look there.
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Fitting some fatter tires to the typical Randonneur / Touring bike and hitting gravel.
Dry gravel here in SoCal.

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Yes, old school rocks. Here is my almost-complete gravel bike. Just need a front brake and different handlebar. The Pasela TG 32's fit fine with 3-4mm clearance on each side (rear). Long reach front brake works, but I'd like to get my hands on some Paul Racer brakes.

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