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    Need a Workhorse Bike that is also a nimble cross racer on the weekends

    Well I finally got approval from the wife to get a cyclocross bike!! She had picked out a few different models for me to choose from but they are HEAVY and for me to get a more expensive/lighter bike I must get rid of my road bike (2006 Trek 1500) and my mountain bike(1998 Specialized StumpJumper). So this new cyclocross bike has to be snappy enough for my weekly rides with friends on the road as well as handle some of the mountain trails here in boise. I want my cross bike to be used for numerous different things (commuting, grocery runs, light touring, cyclocross, group road rides, and some mountain biking) so it needs to be a workhorse but I want it to be light and agile enough for weekend races and road group rides with friends. Of course price is a consideration too so I am trying to keep it under $2000 (if it's more it would have to be "THE ONE" for me to choose it).

    The bikes she had picked out aren't bad and probably good for all the things I need it for but I want a higher performance bike so I don't feel like I need to upgrade in a few years.

    EDIT: I forgot to tell you I am about 5'8" 150lbs so I don't need a tank to support me.

    Her Picks:
    2013 Scattante DX350 Cyclocross Bike (http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...400306__400306)
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    Fuji Cross 3.0(http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...551_1117975_-1)


    I've probably looked at another 50 different bikes on the net but can't decide because I haven't looked at the bikes in person. I would like a bike with SRAM components but if I found the right bike with Shimano I wouldn't complain. So I thought I would ask the forum for thoughts and advice. I have posted here before on similar topic but was never able to pull the trigger and get a bike. Now I've got permission so I want to get this sorted out and register for my first cross race within the next few weeks.

    Thanks for your input.
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    So she Shops Online ..

    Workhorse suggests a relatively heavy Bike ... just go find a Schwinn Varsity from the 70's

    for a sense of relativity.

    prefer steel Or aluminum?

    Got a Trek Dealer? go look at Trek's Cross Rip.. its not marketed as a Cross competition Bike .
    the 1 under a K$ has Cantilever brakes , the other 2 disc brakes ..

    RACE cross bikes dont have any use for racks , so never have fittings .

    Want to Race CX , look at Ridley.. Given they are a QBP distributed brand, your LBS can order them ,
    But are expensive enough to not expect in Stock....on Spec.

    want something Less that takes racks? just go test ride bikes .

    its a saturated market niche by now every brand name wants to have something in their line.

    there a RedLine dealer in Boise?

    OK cue the bikes direct touts.. they always pipe up ..
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    As I see your name has "trek" in it check out the Crockett. If you build a frameset you can hit your pricepoint and get sram. The sram crockett is out of your range but the 105 is. I have a trek ion cx pro which has fender mounts and with road tires holds it's own, but they aren't made anymore. You may want to look for a used one as they have rival and marl was 1900ish.

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    Maybe workhorse was a incorrect term to use. I use my trek now for all of the stuff listed above and if it I could fit knobby tires I would cross race it and take to it to the Mt. Bike trails too, but I can't put knobby tires on it. So I want something similar to my trek in weight for cross.
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    you look for the ability of the bike to be carried, running as much as ridden ..

    Single speed CX events on race weekend are as much fun as any other ..+ less to Break, crashing,

    and nothing weighs less than a part Not Installed ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Ryder View Post
    A mid level ALU CXer is as light as an ALU entry level road bike.
    I'll take the mid level CXer with the better components over the entry level roadie any day.
    105>Sora, heck I'd take a Tiagra equipped CXer over Sora.
    CXer are so versatile!
    CXer are do all bikes, forget hybrids.
    My Kona Jake the Snake is the bike I mention above, it has all the eyelet for fenders, racks, etc.
    Its a great "Do all bike".
    With slicks its great on the road, knobbies great off road.
    I can kick it on the trails, but you won't see me taking 6' drops.

    My Major Jake is more race oriented, no eyelets, only 1 mount for bottle cage. Its also lighter since it Scandium over ALU.

    See what you can get by trading your Trek, maybe even toss it up on CL.
    I traded my 29er for a truck, but keep my Stumpy M4(26er) for nasty winter weather. I don't hit the mountains anymore but my Stumpy is still very capable.
    Try to convince your wife to let you keep the Stumpy! They're great bikes. My Stumpy is almost the same weight as my commuter CXer.

    I ride year round, so I have a bike for each of my many needs.
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    Senior Member Trekathlete's Avatar
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    I went to a few of the LBS yesterday and decided that what I would use it most for is commuting and cyclocross. The adventure/light touring would most likely be a 1 time thing but if I wanted to do it more often maybe get a bicycle specific to that type of cycling. With that said I am leaning towards the Trek Crockett.

    Ghost Ryder: I haven't had the chance to look at the Kona bikes yet. I need to though. There is one shop in my town that carries them but every time I go in they never have any cross bikes in stock. Maybe since it's the season for cross they will have a few in the store. I will go look and take one for a test ride if they have one. I too, would like to ride year round. I was doing nicely this summer but once I slip up once and drive I always find it hard to get back on the bike especially in the colder weather. The Stumpy is an awesome bike but unfortunately it's actually a size too big and on longer rides becomes uncomfortable. I have decided to get rid of both the Stumpy and my Trek 1500 but as soon as we get a little extra money I will be looking for a little newer Mt. Bike maybe even another stumpy M2!

    Thanks for the replies everyone! Its hard to find a bike that does everything but is still snappy/light enough to be a racer. I will go look, later this week, at the Kona Jake line up and see what I think.
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    Already had a link to this one so I'll add it here..

    http://www.ridley-bikes.com/us/en/bi...x-bow-10-1405a

    Now with QBP taking up Distributing this Belgian Brand, Most LBS should be able to Order them .
    given that many shops have a QBP account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trekathlete View Post
    I went to a few of the LBS yesterday and decided that what I would use it most for is commuting and cyclocross. The adventure/light touring would most likely be a 1 time thing but if I wanted to do it more often maybe get a bicycle specific to that type of cycling. With that said I am leaning towards the Trek Crockett.

    Ghost Ryder: I haven't had the chance to look at the Kona bikes yet. I need to though. There is one shop in my town that carries them but every time I go in they never have any cross bikes in stock. Maybe since it's the season for cross they will have a few in the store. I will go look and take one for a test ride if they have one. I too, would like to ride year round. I was doing nicely this summer but once I slip up once and drive I always find it hard to get back on the bike especially in the colder weather. The Stumpy is an awesome bike but unfortunately it's actually a size too big and on longer rides becomes uncomfortable. I have decided to get rid of both the Stumpy and my Trek 1500 but as soon as we get a little extra money I will be looking for a little newer Mt. Bike maybe even another stumpy M2!

    Thanks for the replies everyone! Its hard to find a bike that does everything but is still snappy/light enough to be a racer. I will go look, later this week, at the Kona Jake line up and see what I think.
    It wasn't a sales pitch to buy Kona, more of just an example of what I own. The JTS won't be in the $500 range, but you might get close if you find a used one.

    We do what we have to, I just contacted a person about another Stumpy. Thinking of building it up for my little cousin.
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    I agree that the Jake the Snake is one of the best bikes available for CX racing that is also up to the task of commuting and utility stuff. The Ridley X-Bow is another possibility.

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    I went to the Kona LBS today but they only have the Kona Jake in stock and it was pretty heavy. I'd compare it to a cross rip or tricross. I think that the jake the snake is the same frame too but with better components and a carbon fork. The shop guy said it'd be a lot lighter but its hard to tell since they don't have one in stock and if they ordered the Jake the Snake I would most likely have to be in the position to buy that bike. So I am now 90% sure I want the Trek Crockett because it does do everything I need it to do. I just had to realize what I was going to use it most for and thats commuting and cross racing which I think makes it a good choice. I just got caught up looking at sweet adventure bike trips, dreaming I had the time to go on epic gravel road adventures and grand tour rides but the truth is I don't have that time right now to do that type of riding. One day when I do I will get another bike specific to that maybe .
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    There's a trade-off between weight and utility. If you don't plan to use rack and fenders when commuting, then the Crockett is probably a good choice. I thought I even saw fender eyelets on the Crockett.

    I commute on a 2013 Jake, which weighs a bit over 27 pounds with rack and fenders. For commuting I don't have any qualms about this kind of weight. Racing is another matter. I could get this bike down to about 23 pounds or so by stripping off the utility bits. I know people race on heavier bikes than that, but lighter is more fun. My 2008 Major Jake weighs in around 20 pounds with a 105 drivetrain and some fairly heavy wheels. My 2013 Jake the Snake is built as a singlespeed and comes in right around 19 pounds. These aren't super light, but I'm happy with them both. People talk about shouldering, but in my experience you feel that weight difference most when you're whipping through twisty sections. On the other hand, my results haven't changed at all since I was racing on a 23-pound 2008 Jake.

    I haven't lifted a 2014 Jake the Snake, but I'd guess that with the stock build wouldn't be much over 21 pounds. Lighter wheels (maybe some Stan's Iron Cross with a tubeless setup) could likely get it down to 20 pounds. At this point you're getting into weight weenie territory, spending a lot more money to save a little more weight.

    I don't know a lot about the Crockett. People who have bought them seem really excited about them. If Trek built it the way Katie Compton wanted it, as they claim, then it's probably a darn good bike. SRAM components are a bit lighter than Shimano, so if you spring for the 7 you'll probably have a decently light bike off the shelf, especially if you pass on the disc brakes. On the other hand, I'd bet that the Crockett 5 with disc brakes is very similar in weight to the 2014 Jake the Snake.

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