Originally Posted by grolby
If you're so unfamiliar with the reality of what roadie culture is like that you think it's composed of conformists and groupthinkers, you can eff right off. For someone so keen to come down on roadies as bunch of cold meanies who are predisposed toward sexism and homophobia you haven't gone to a whole hell of a lot of trouble to actually understand what roadie culture actually is. Because then you would have to engage with reality instead if your ridiculous construction, but that would be tough for you, wouldn't it, seeing as reality is a actually kind of complex. I think you would be surprised to find that roadie culture actually composed of people, with a wide range of political views and social skills.
OK, I'll go slow here since we're obviously working in the special needs classroom today. First, we were talking about one person's experience with one group of riders. Based on that, I made the provisional conclusion that the group that mdadams1 rode with were the kind of people to exclude "outsiders" based on superficial differences. Thus my remark to mdadams1 that I would ride with him, etc., was specifically about *that* group. At no point did I indict Roadie Culture™ as a whole
Second, that you took such offense at that remark suggests you were willing to read whatever you wanted into my comment as long as it gave you an excuse to vent against a non-existent threat to your precious tribal loyalty. I'll leave the specific anger-management issues to you and your court-appointed psychologist, but at no point there did I make any generalizations about all Roadie Culture™ being about groupthink or whatever. However, since we are on the subject, I would venture a guess that Roadie Culture™ is as prone to groupthink as the surrounding culture, which is to say plenty, but that it is not exceptionally so. It's just the way people are in general. For you to believe that a group of people sufficiently large as "The Roadies" is so significantly more enlightened than any other comparable selection of people in society (church-goers, Coke-drinkers, Honda owners, stamp collectors, etc.) that they wouldn't exhibit the same characteristics that plague group dynamics in general stretches credibility to its limit.
Third, I never said that Roadie Culture™ was racist, etc. Again, a case of you wanting to take offense and looking for any way to twist someone else's words to make that happen. Congratulations, your reality-distortion field is calibrated correctly and set to 11. The comment I was responding to was
"Well, there's just a certain amount of cultural cohesiveness that any small group sharing a specific interest will tend to anticipate. And exceptions can seem very strange."
I was making the point that this kind of reaction is akin to what happens in people who are racist, homophobic, etc. In other words, discrimination based on superficial differences is the common thread. It doesn't mean that roadies are racists. In fact, the person making the comment I was replying to was making a general comment about "any small group sharing a specific interest". How come you didn't start ranting about how I just called "any small group sharing a specific interest" a bunch of racists? Because you can't be bothered to read. Since subtext is clearly beyond you (really, still working on reading comprehension), my point is that I don't see much virtue in "cultural cohesiveness" coming at the expense of inclusiveness. You may disagree, and I would respect that, but instead you ran in and shouted "YOU'RE DISPARAGING ROADIE CULTURE™!!! EFF OFF!!!"