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Cyclosaurus 01-29-14 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by grolby (Post 16450512)
If you're so unfamiliar with the reality of what roadie culture is like that you think it's composed of conformists and groupthinkers, you can eff right off. For someone so keen to come down on roadies as bunch of cold meanies who are predisposed toward sexism and homophobia you haven't gone to a whole hell of a lot of trouble to actually understand what roadie culture actually is. Because then you would have to engage with reality instead if your ridiculous construction, but that would be tough for you, wouldn't it, seeing as reality is a actually kind of complex. I think you would be surprised to find that roadie culture actually composed of people, with a wide range of political views and social skills.

OK, I'll go slow here since we're obviously working in the special needs classroom today. First, we were talking about one person's experience with one group of riders. Based on that, I made the provisional conclusion that the group that mdadams1 rode with were the kind of people to exclude "outsiders" based on superficial differences. Thus my remark to mdadams1 that I would ride with him, etc., was specifically about *that* group. At no point did I indict Roadie Culture™ as a whole

Second, that you took such offense at that remark suggests you were willing to read whatever you wanted into my comment as long as it gave you an excuse to vent against a non-existent threat to your precious tribal loyalty. I'll leave the specific anger-management issues to you and your court-appointed psychologist, but at no point there did I make any generalizations about all Roadie Culture™ being about groupthink or whatever. However, since we are on the subject, I would venture a guess that Roadie Culture™ is as prone to groupthink as the surrounding culture, which is to say plenty, but that it is not exceptionally so. It's just the way people are in general. For you to believe that a group of people sufficiently large as "The Roadies" is so significantly more enlightened than any other comparable selection of people in society (church-goers, Coke-drinkers, Honda owners, stamp collectors, etc.) that they wouldn't exhibit the same characteristics that plague group dynamics in general stretches credibility to its limit.

Third, I never said that Roadie Culture™ was racist, etc. Again, a case of you wanting to take offense and looking for any way to twist someone else's words to make that happen. Congratulations, your reality-distortion field is calibrated correctly and set to 11. The comment I was responding to was

"Well, there's just a certain amount of cultural cohesiveness that any small group sharing a specific interest will tend to anticipate. And exceptions can seem very strange."

I was making the point that this kind of reaction is akin to what happens in people who are racist, homophobic, etc. In other words, discrimination based on superficial differences is the common thread. It doesn't mean that roadies are racists. In fact, the person making the comment I was replying to was making a general comment about "any small group sharing a specific interest". How come you didn't start ranting about how I just called "any small group sharing a specific interest" a bunch of racists? Because you can't be bothered to read. Since subtext is clearly beyond you (really, still working on reading comprehension), my point is that I don't see much virtue in "cultural cohesiveness" coming at the expense of inclusiveness. You may disagree, and I would respect that, but instead you ran in and shouted "YOU'RE DISPARAGING ROADIE CULTURE™!!! EFF OFF!!!"

Cyclosaurus 01-29-14 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by caloso (Post 16450846)
If you knew anything about roadies you'd know there's very little thinking involved, group or otherwise.

Lol. Now that's a group I can feel at home in!

fietsbob 01-29-14 02:56 PM

Actual Cyclo-cross they can drop you over an over again every couple laps, for them, for 45 minutes .. :lol:

RPK79 01-29-14 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus (Post 16450847)
The comment I was responding to was

"Well, there's just a certain amount of cultural cohesiveness that any small group sharing a specific interest will tend to anticipate. And exceptions can seem very strange."

I was making the point that this kind of reaction is akin to what happens in people who are racist, homophobic, etc. In other words, discrimination based on superficial differences is the common thread. It doesn't mean that roadies are racists. In fact, the person making the comment I was replying to was making a general comment about "any small group sharing a specific interest". How come you didn't start ranting about how I just called "any small group sharing a specific interest" a bunch of racists? Because you can't be bothered to read. Since subtext is clearly beyond you (really, still working on reading comprehension), my point is that I don't see much virtue in "cultural cohesiveness" coming at the expense of inclusiveness. You may disagree, and I would respect that, but instead you ran in and shouted "YOU'RE DISPARAGING ROADIE CULTURE™!!! EFF OFF!!!"

The person making the comment and the person you are currently replying to in my quoted post are the same person. So, you are basically telling them that they were reading their own comment out of context. You are assuming that you know what they were saying better than they themselves knew what they were saying.

Honestly, your entire rant comes off a bit:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=362003

Cyclosaurus 01-29-14 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 16450914)
The person making the comment and the person you are currently replying to in my quoted post are the same person.

So it is. Lol. At any rate, I don't think it diminishes my point much, because...

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Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 16450914)
So, you are basically telling them that they were reading their own comment out of context. You are assuming that you know what they were saying better than they themselves knew what they were saying.

I think grolby knew what grolby was saying. But I don't think grolby knew what it really meant. I was pointing out that it's kind of a blind spot to give in to psychological discomfort at people who "ain't like me". It's a retrograde, decidedly less-civilized way to behave. It may be generally innocuous when it's just some mild social exclusion, but it is not much different than how truly ugly discrimination perpetuates. The fact that it was grolby both originally and in hostile reply just reinforces the point that in general, people feel privileged to exclude others who don't meet superficial expectations.

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Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 16450914)
Honestly, your entire rant comes off a bit:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=362003

Well now you've given me a new Avatar. I do prefer a nice cold cider over a glass of wine however.

RPK79 01-29-14 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus (Post 16451095)
Well now you've given me a new Avatar. I do prefer a nice cold cider over a glass of wine however.

Glad I could help. It really does fit!

Cyclosaurus 01-29-14 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 16451104)
Glad I could help. It really does fit!

I raise my glass in toast to you! Huzzah!

Jiggle 02-02-14 06:44 PM

Why do you need to be invited to ride with them? It's a public road. If they can't drop you, that's their problem.

FBinNY 02-02-14 06:57 PM

Yes, it's a public road, and nothing would stop someone from riding in the general area or along the same route. However joining a peloton or close order group requires an invitation. People have a right to know who they're riding with, and I wouldn't join into a group any more than I'd slip my car into a funeral precession.

It's not about rights, it's about common courtesy.

caloso 02-02-14 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggle (Post 16462484)
Why do you need to be invited to ride with them? It's a public road. If they can't drop you, that's their problem.

Why would you want to be that guy?

Jiggle 02-02-14 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by caloso (Post 16462552)
Why would you want to be that guy?

Obviously, because its fun. Also, if you run away with your tail between your legs every time someone says they don't like you, you'll never be around long enough for them to change their mind.

KlingOn 02-03-14 05:12 AM

Why is anyone responding to a troll post?

A 60 year old photography instructor-***-unicylcist-***-30-year-runner in a skateboard helmet (!?!?) with his "me just as fast as you" caveman diatribe clearly is just looking to incite passions.

Hey troller, you have an iPhone, so... Show us on Strava or it didn't happen, dude.


*** is Kum with a C, which is appropriate in context, and has existed in spoken and written Latin, Old French, and Modern French for over 3000 years. Sadly, language dies on BF. Only cynicism, arm sleeve tats, and ear plugs survive on BF.


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