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Old 05-13-14, 04:03 PM   #1
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Gevenalle

A new name for Retroshift, a new hydraulic braking option and a cool little widget to save your rear derailleur from the mud:

Retroshift Re-Brands as Gevenalle, Brings Hydraulic Braking and HOUP Spacer to Expanded Cyclocross Component Line - Cyclocross Magazine - Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Videos | Cyclocross Magazine ? Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Vid

Full disclosure: The head goat herder is a friend, but I don't work for Gevenalle, don't speak for them in any way and haven't been asked to post this. I'm genuinely interested to hear what others think about this, especially the HOUP.
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Old 05-14-14, 11:51 AM   #2
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Nobody wants to opine on this?

I think the hydraulic brake system is pretty exciting news.

The HOUP was one of those things that my first reaction was "why would you.....?" then after hearing the explanation and thinking back to my last rear derailleur disaster it started to make sense and eventually I found myself wondering why nobody had done this before.
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I've been thinking of picking up their brake lever/shifter combos for an older vintage bike I want to build up into a gravel grinder. I could pick up one of the new 7 speed shimano brifters as well but these look to be tougher and more versatile.
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I have been running their first generation retroshift on my soma for 3 or 4 years. Nothing but good things to say about it. I went in a different direction with my ritchey this year but I've been thinking of a build for their new hydro sets.

Here is my soma:
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I like the hydraulic disc option, and would consider replacing my mechanical discs with the new brakes/levers.
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I spent a couple of years thinking that my hands were too small to use the shifters, but a couple of the juniors on my CX team made the switch last year and demonstrated that I was wrong. Now I've got the CX2 shifters on my CX race bike.



If I have any more problems with the HY/RD's on my commuter I'm definitely switching it to the new Gevenalle hydraulic system.

This is the reason I'm going to be ordering the HOUP:

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Ouch. I'm always nervous about doing that in a race. There was a race down here that had a section that was mud then pea gravel then mud then more pea gravel (or as a local obra official said frosting, sprinkles, frosting, sprinkles) that too many people tried to shift in and snapped their rear derailleurs.
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Ouch. I'm always nervous about doing that in a race. There was a race down here that had a section that was mud then pea gravel then mud then more pea gravel (or as a local obra official said frosting, sprinkles, frosting, sprinkles) that too many people tried to shift in and snapped their rear derailleurs.
We had that combination at a Cross Crusade race at PIR a couple of years ago. It was absolute carnage. I can't tell you how many broken derailleurs I saw that day. I hear that it was even worse the year they tried to run Kruger's Crossing through the corn maze.

The picture above was from the Cross Crusade race at Ranier in 2010. The scary thing is I wasn't even shifting when it happened. One minute I was riding along in the mud. The next minute I was spinning the pedals and not going anywhere. I thought I had just dropped the chain until I got off to fix it. The bike had a steel frame, so no derailleur hanger to snap off -- total damage: bent derailleur hanger, busted derailleur, twisted chain, deep notches in most of my drive-side spokes. One of the mechanics at the LBS said he's seen the shift cable get pulled through the shifter in cases like this.
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ignoring the shifters for a second, I really like the way those guys think. The cassette parts are really neat.

I'm just not ready for the shifters -- it's a personal problem.
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Guess they are getting greater tie ins with the Taiwan companies like Microshift and Tektro/TRP

who I expect made the past offerings too. TW rebadging for other importers happens a Lot.


Mechanic's intuition
Just assuming to make room for the spacer , the Wheel dish is greater..
to pull the hub further to the left to makre room for the spacer..

more hip than just using a plastic spoke protector. disparaged as Dork Discs .

Make it out of Titanium and the disc may be better accepted

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Guess they are getting greater tie ins with the Taiwan companies like Microshift and Tektro/TRP

who I expect made the past offerings too. TW rebadging for other importers happens a Lot.
Yeah, but Gevenalle is really upfront about it. That admission is even part of the name of the BURD.


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Just assuming to make room for the spacer , the Wheel dish is greater..
to pull the hub further to the left to makre room for the spacer..
It's actually much simpler than that. To make room for the spacer, you remove the smallest cog from the cassette. No re-dishing required.
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last cog is serrated to engage with the lock ring , so they did the serration on the 2nd one?

who really needs a 12t in a bog anyhow?
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last cog is serrated to engage with the lock ring , so they did the serration on the 2nd one?
I expect not, since they're only selling the spacer and the lockring at this point. The 12T cog, at least, engages with the spline. Do you really think the serration matters?

I guess I'll find out when I get my HOUP.


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who really needs a 12t in a bog anyhow?
Certainly not me. I'm pretty sure I could even drop the 13T on my 13-25 cassette in most races.
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There is a firm ratchet-like engagement, that keeps things from working loose

But if you are overhauling the drive train starting every monday for the race season, it may matter less

Dish already weakens the wheel in comparison to something dishless ..,

but heck , like Mountain bikes, Cross bikes getting beat up racing is good for the bike repair business.
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fietsbob - Yes you are quite right. 5700 and 6700 have these same 'ratchet' or 'teeth' on the 12T as Shimano uses the exact same part number on their 12-XX cassettes also, so really not an issue. The new 6800 does NOT however have these same teeth but we have found no issue with lock rings loosening. We WILL however recommend a dab of BLUE threadlock just to play it safe.

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Yeah, but Gevenalle is really upfront about it. That admission is even part of the name of the BURD.




It's actually much simpler than that. To make room for the spacer, you remove the smallest cog from the cassette. No re-dishing required.
BURD = Blatantly Upgraded Rebranded Derailleur. We take a stock unit and:

1. Disassemble, adjust spring to give higher chain tension.
2. Replace pulleys with Shimano Ultegra or FSA Ceramic.
3. Laser engrave.
3. Provide a crash replacement service - BEST PART!

All done in USA.

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Brb, inventing a plastic or metal dish to protect the spokes from the chain.

It will look something like a plate on which you serve pie.

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Brb, inventing a plastic or metal dish to protect the spokes from the chain.

It will look something like a plate on which you serve pie.

Some riders have been known to use a rear disc wheel (very big spoke protector!). We figured this would be an easier alternative: Cassettes - Gevenalle

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stamped Titanium spoke protectors FTW.






Goats that Hydro disc been tested in the frozen north conditions ? sram seemed to have problems in the Past winter ..

PDX is not St Paul MN

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fietsbob - Yes you are quite right. 5700 and 6700 have these same 'ratchet' or 'teeth' on the 12T as Shimano uses the exact same part number on their 12-XX cassettes also, so really not an issue.
Not that I'd expect anything less, but I can confirm this information. I just got a couple of 5700 cassettes tonight -- one 12-27 and one 11-28. Here are the small cogs and lockrings.



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