Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Recreational Cyclocross and Gravelbiking This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like :The Dirty Kanza". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-22-14, 11:34 AM   #1
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Steep Downhills on a CX bike

So, I've commuting on a trail to work for the past few days. I am faster on the climb vs. my friends MTB.

But going downhill on this trail is scary as hell and I feel every vibration in my hands. How do you guys deal with this? Are CX bikes not meant for downhill trails?

Last edited by rekon; 05-22-14 at 11:39 AM.
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 11:36 AM   #2
gnawthrough
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Bikes:
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
lean back, stay in the drops and have your elbows bent. point and shoot!
gnawthrough is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 12:11 PM   #3
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Bikes: 2013 Kona Jake, 2015 Kona Jake the Snake, 2008 Kona Major Jake, 2013 Kona Jake the Snake, 2006 Kona Kula, 2012 Ridley Excalibur, 2001 LeMond Buenos Aires, 1984 Pinarello Gran Turismo, 1982 Trek 614, 1979 Austro-Daimler, 1974 Steyr Clubman
Posts: 8,723
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Define "downhill". CX bikes are most definitely not meant for what serious mountain bikers call "downhill". Neither are most mountain bikes. On the other hand, you obviously can take a CX bike down a hill.

If you're still worried about the vibration in your hands and not fearing for your life, it's probably OK.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 01:01 PM   #4
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
Define "downhill". CX bikes are most definitely not meant for what serious mountain bikers call "downhill". Neither are most mountain bikes. On the other hand, you obviously can take a CX bike down a hill.

If you're still worried about the vibration in your hands and not fearing for your life, it's probably OK.

Downhill = For a 10 mile stretch its about 400 ft downhill. The downhill is not constant and it's mixed with level and uphills.

I have to admit I did fear my life (or at least injury) a few times. I had to brake almost all downhill stretches. My disc brakes were screeching. Which reminds me I have to check my brakes because now I have to squeeze the lever hard to brake and the rear brakes are sketchy.
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 01:04 PM   #5
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnawthrough View Post
lean back, stay in the drops and have your elbows bent. point and shoot!
I was too scared to stay in the drops. I ended up being on the hoods for most of the time. I'll give the drops a try!
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 01:46 PM   #6
flargle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
I was too scared to stay in the drops. I ended up being on the hoods for most of the time. I'll give the drops a try!
Hoods are the worst place because you don't have a solid grip. Bar-top interrupter levers are great for steep descents because you have a solid grip and can get your weight further back than from the drops.
flargle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 01:49 PM   #7
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Bikes: 2013 Kona Jake, 2015 Kona Jake the Snake, 2008 Kona Major Jake, 2013 Kona Jake the Snake, 2006 Kona Kula, 2012 Ridley Excalibur, 2001 LeMond Buenos Aires, 1984 Pinarello Gran Turismo, 1982 Trek 614, 1979 Austro-Daimler, 1974 Steyr Clubman
Posts: 8,723
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
Downhill = For a 10 mile stretch its about 400 ft downhill. The downhill is not constant and it's mixed with level and uphills.
The bike can definitely handle that. From there it's a matter of establishing your own comfort zone. I've taken my CX bike on some local fire roads that drop 500 feet in a mile. That's pushing my limits, but a lot of people see it as pretty ho-hum stuff.

Short steep drops are the thing that nearly make me pee myself. There's a local race that is notorious for one particular drop. Here's a pic of one rider showing great form:



though if she isn't careful with the front brake, this could end badly.

I usually ride this section something like this (though this isn't me):



The key, I think, is to keep your weight centered over your pedals, pushing vertically down into the pedals, not perpendicular to the trail surface. The steeper the hill, the more you need to shift your weight back. And when it gets really steep, resist the urge to brake hard.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 02:50 PM   #8
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by flargle View Post
Hoods are the worst place because you don't have a solid grip. Bar-top interrupter levers are great for steep descents because you have a solid grip and can get your weight further back than from the drops.

Ok, maybe that's why I was on the hoods - I was riding out of the saddle. If I'm in the saddle the drops will be easier. Which leads me to wonder - doesn't it hurt to ride downhill in the saddle. Assuming the trail is very bump/rocky
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 05:19 PM   #9
shelbyfv
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2,649
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
You don't want to be on the saddle. Look at the pic. Her butt is way off the back of the saddle.
shelbyfv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 05:27 PM   #10
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,478
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Most likely, it's a combination of speed, steepness and slope that creating the challenge on your route. Leaning back and slowing down will help. What tires and what size tire are you using?
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.

Last edited by Barrettscv; 05-22-14 at 05:34 PM.
Barrettscv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-14, 10:02 PM   #11
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
Most likely, it's a combination of speed, steepness and slope that creating the challenge on your route. Leaning back and slowing down will help. What tires and what size tire are you using?
Thanks. I'll try that tomorrow.

My tires are stock: Kenda Kwick 700x30c

More specs of my bike here (Save Up to 60% Off Motobecane Cyclocross Bikes - Fantom Cross Outlaw)

Oh and here's my bike:




Is the tire size/kind OK? What are your thoughts?

Last edited by rekon; 05-22-14 at 10:35 PM.
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 05:56 AM   #12
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,478
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
Thanks. I'll try that tomorrow.

My tires are stock: Kenda Kwick 700x30c



Is the tire size/kind OK? What are your thoughts?
That's a very small tire size for the type of riding you describe. Consider the Kendra Happy Medium in a 700x35 size: http://www.kendatire.com/en/bicycle/...py-medium-pro/

A larger tire provides better grip and improved stability on technical terrain. It also allows you to reduce air pressure to 40 to 50 psi, improving the shock absorbing capacity of the tire. That improves traction further while improving rider control and comfort.

I run a variety of tires on my CX bike, depending on the surface. I like slicks for pavement and smoother gravel that's not too technical. I use the Happy Medium on wet gravel and earth trails. I'm installing a 700x40 touring tires for some sharp-edged gravel that I'll travel next week.

Using a range of tires is the greatest benefit of having a CX bike. It transforms the performance of the bike completely.
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.

Last edited by Barrettscv; 05-23-14 at 06:59 AM.
Barrettscv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 08:08 AM   #13
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
That's a very small tire size for the type of riding you describe. Consider the Kendra Happy Medium in a 700x35 size: Happy Medium Pro

A larger tire provides better grip and improved stability on technical terrain. It also allows you to reduce air pressure to 40 to 50 psi, improving the shock absorbing capacity of the tire. That improves traction further while improving rider control and comfort.

I run a variety of tires on my CX bike, depending on the surface. I like slicks for pavement and smoother gravel that's not too technical. I use the Happy Medium on wet gravel and earth trails. I'm installing a 700x40 touring tires for some sharp-edged gravel that I'll travel next week.

Using a range of tires is the greatest benefit of having a CX bike. It transforms the performance of the bike completely.

thanks this helps a lot! So, will these tires fit on my current wheels? Or, will I have to buy new wheels?
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 08:10 AM   #14
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,478
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
thanks this helps a lot! So, will these tires fit on my current wheels? Or, will I have to buy new wheels?
These will fit on your current wheels, no problem. The Happy Medium is a great tire. It will be fast and smooth on pavement. It climbs as well or better than your current tire and provides great control going downhill. It's not the best tire for mud, but that's not an issue in So Cal.
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.

Last edited by Barrettscv; 05-23-14 at 08:14 AM.
Barrettscv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 08:39 AM   #15
flargle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Watch this for sure:
Local trails ala cx on Vimeo
flargle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 08:42 AM   #16
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
These will fit on your current wheels, no problem. The Happy Medium is a great tire. It will be fast and smooth on pavement. It climbs as well or better than your current tire and provides great control going downhill. It's not the best tire for mud, but that's not an issue in So Cal.
Perfect, thank you! I'll give these tires a whirl!

Correct, mud is not an issue - we are experiencing a drought out here. I don't remember the last time we had good rain! lol
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 08:44 AM   #17
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by flargle View Post
Watch this for sure:
Local trails ala cx on Vimeo
Nice! Here is a pic of my trail. I get more shots of the steep and rocky parts soon.


Last edited by rekon; 05-23-14 at 08:51 AM.
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 09:07 AM   #18
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 19,614
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 431 Post(s)
& with Top mount Interruptor levers , you may be able to push your center of gravity lower and further back..

Cross Boots had heel spikes to grip sketchy course downhills portaging the bike, until you got back to a ridable section of the course.


But the OP is just negotiating a unimproved dirt road , sorry if you have to slow down or risk crashing.. so it goes ..

walking is still an option ..
fietsbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 09:14 AM   #19
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,478
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
Nice! Here is a pic of my trail. I get more shots of the steep and rocky parts soon.

That looks like a very nice commute!

It also looks like the biggest issue is off-camber and loose dry earth on the surface. A larger tire at lower air pressure combined with taller knobs on the shoulder of the tire are needed.
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 09:58 AM   #20
flargle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
Nice! Here is a pic of my trail. I get more shots of the steep and rocky parts soon.
Beauty place. Looks like fun.
flargle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 10:23 AM   #21
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
That looks like a very nice commute!

It also looks like the biggest issue is off-camber and loose dry earth on the surface. A larger tire at lower air pressure combined with taller knobs on the shoulder of the tire are needed.
Thanks! So, with that said, is 700x35 tire size (http://www.kendatire.com/en/bicycle/...py-medium-pro) still sufficient?
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 10:28 AM   #22
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,478
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rekon View Post
Thanks! So, with that said, is 700x35 tire size (http://www.kendatire.com/en/bicycle/...py-medium-pro) still sufficient?
It is for combined pavement and trail use. If you are on that trail more than 75%, you might consider a full knobby. A full knobby tire is much slower on pavement. Considering that you had no problem climbing on the Kendra Kwick, you should be good on the 700x35 Happy Medium.
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-14, 11:25 AM   #23
Clem von Jones
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 401
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Stay in the drops, hang your ass waaay out over the back and put you stomach on the saddle. Go slow enough that if you crash no damage is done. Be prepared to jump off from the back and catch your bike by its seatpost. Strongly disagree with the "lean back" advice, I mean you gotta move your position as far back as possible but you want to stay really low and stomach-down while keeping enough weight on the front wheel. Keeping enough weight on the front wheel is critical for downhill switchback turns. If you lean backward on a switchback the front tire will lose grip and slide. Go slowly and cautiously. Better to walk your bike down really loose stuff or unfamiliar territory if you tires aren't aggressive enough. I only use my interrupter levers going uphill. Can't even imagine being anywhere but in the drops during a steep descent even with significant bar drop.

Last edited by Clem von Jones; 05-24-14 at 12:26 AM.
Clem von Jones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-14, 10:50 AM   #24
jsigone
got the climbing bug
 
jsigone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Diego
Bikes: one for everything
Posts: 8,465
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
lean back but stay balanced. Don't think about crashing or you will. Very fun looking trails. I have disc brakes on my rig and they really help. More control and ZERO chatter
jsigone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-14, 10:04 PM   #25
rekon
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rekon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Bikes: 2015 Cannondale CAAD10; 2014 Giant Talon; 2012 Bianchi Impulso
Posts: 456
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Update: I've been doing a lot better on these downhills. However, my BB5 brakes feel a little sketchy. I'm thinking about upgrading to BB7s. Has anyone had experience doing this upgrade? If so, how do you like them?

Also, I'm planning on ordering the happy medium tires soon. Question - Do 700x35 fit on my bike? I'm assuming they do but just making sure...

Last edited by rekon; 06-02-14 at 10:07 PM.
rekon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:36 PM.