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Old 06-03-14, 07:29 PM   #1
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Raleigh Tamland 1 First Impressions

So, after a long time off the bike, I recently bought a Raleigh Tamland 1. I was looking for one bike (my only bike), that fell under $2,000, and was versatile enough to do a little bit of everything. I have a lot of gravel roads near a family vacation home a couple of hours away, but most of my riding around here would be on the road. My road racing days are over, but I might at least want to try my hand at CX for a few races this winter. I have always enjoyed charity and organized rides, and wanted something that I could work back up to riding centuries, potentially light touring, and even commuting when the weather is nice.

I wanted to write this since I have not really seen much first hand info about this bike on the forums, or really, on the internet as a whole. The bike is spec'ed as shown on their website: Raleigh Bicycles - Tamland 1. I outfitted the bike with Crank Brothers pedals, a cat eye computer, a light, a frame pump, and some old carbon cages.

The bike's MSRP is right at $1600. Some of the highlights are a Reynolds 631 steel frame, full 105 group, and TRP Spyre mechanical disc brakes. I have put about 100 miles on the bike, half of it on gravel or dirt roads, half on pavement. The bike rides great. Some of that is due to the 40mm tires, but the steel noticeably takes the sharpness off some of the bad bumps. The nicest thing I noticed that is a difference from some of my older steel bikes is that there is no noticeable bottom bracket flex (I am 5'9" 195 lbs). The bike is stiff, but comfortable. The frame/tire/wheel combo actually does a really good job with the roots, rocks, and bigger bumps, too. The paint job is surprisingly high quality, although there are a few very minor imperfections on the seat stays. As far as geometry goes, the bike has a nice balance between responsive and stable. The bike does not hesitate to go where you point it, but you are never fighting any twitchiness trying to keep it straight. The added stability is really noticeable when you get on the looser stuff off road.

This is my first time with disc brakes in about ten years, and the Spyres seem pretty nice. They are dual piston and actuate from both sides, which, at least on paper, offers some nice advantages. This also gives them a lot of adjustability, which is nice for taking the wheels on and off or swapping them out. I had some issues with their initial setup, but I have been able to fix most of them from reading the owner's manual and tinkering. The one thing I haven't been able to remedy is the long pull in the rear brake. I have to get the handle basically back to the bars to get full power.

The wheels are bombproof, but not particularly light, as you can imagine. The Clement XPlor MSOs are really nice. One of my 25 mile off road rides was in the wet, and they bit great in the corners. The line of closer center knobs lends itself to fairly fast rolling on pavement or harder packed surfaces while going in a straight line or close to it. The 105 drivetrain is exactly as expected, and the gearing works out well for the mixed surface intentions of the bike.

All in all, I am excited to have a new ride and get back into the sport. I really missed and love the exploring part of riding, and so far, this seems like a great bike for somewhat that wants to be able to do go anywhere and do anything but road racing.

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I will probably eventually upgrade the wheels, but I am not in any huge hurry. The only downside to this is that with the width of rims, there aren't a lot of more narrow road tires available that fit. I originally intended to swap out the tires as needed, but I have been happy enough with the XPlor MSOs on road that I will wait until the fall to upgrade the wheels. The handlebars are a little narrow, especially for off road, but they still seem good enough for me. Saddle is of course a personal choice, but I have been pretty impressed by the stock offering so far.

The steel fork actually flexes enough when the skewer is closed that if it is not at the correct tightness, it will make the rotor drag. This has taken me about 30 seconds or so to tamper with every time I put the front wheel back on. Not a huge deal, and I am getting used to it fairly quickly, but I thought I had somehow managed to bend the rotor on the drive home from my LBS.

Excuse the cell phone pics, just moved and no idea where my camera is.
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Old 06-04-14, 07:26 AM   #2
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Nice bike and nice review of the Tamland. It's definitely not the first cross bike to come up in conversation but you may have found a winner. I wonder about frame weight and 40c rolling resistance on roads or has Raleigh put together a package that synchronizes components well?
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Sweet ride. Keep us posted on how things go. I've been admiring the Tamlands from afar ever since they were announced.
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The weight is definitely on the heavy side, between 24 and 25 lbs for my 54. I am on the heavy side (195-200 right now, hopefully 185-188 in the coming months). I also have not been riding for the past year or so after dealing with some non-cycling injuries, so the weight issue is not really that noticeable for me. I will say that Raleigh did a good job with the gearing. The 30 cog with the 34 is more than enough for me, my crappy knee, my weight, and the bike's weight to get up anything steep with ease. I have actually only used the lowest two gears on the cassette once to see how they felt since they are so low and I have not done any serious climbing yet.

As far as the rolling resistance is concerned, I am sure it would be noticeable to someone with more tire expertise, or if you were to ride a 23-25 back to back with the 40s. You would probably also notice it on any faster group ride or real fast solo efforts. Since I don't have any serious competitive ambitions at this time, the tires work fine for me, and they definitely don't feel like riding a mountain bike tire or anything like that. I have done my road rides around 80 PSI, and the higher concentration of smoother knobs in the center of the tire seems to let the bike roll fairly well and fairly quietly on the road in a straight line or slight corner. You get a lot more noise and probably a lot more resistance when you really lean into the corners.

I am doing a 60 mile road charity ride in about a month, and then doing a 70 mile gravel/pavement "race" that I will be doing as an individual fundraiser in early September, so I will have some good feedback on the bike and tires throughout the summer.
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Just wanted to bump this thread. Very interested in this bike and how it's performing for you. Any updates? Thanks.
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As far as the rolling resistance is concerned, I am sure it would be noticeable to someone with more tire expertise, or if you were to ride a 23-25 back to back with the 40s.
Yes: you'd find that all things being equal a 23-25 would have MORE rolling resistance. Really: use google (or just read Bicycle Quarterly: Performance of Tires | Off The Beaten Path) and give up this (widely held) superstition.

If you want a lower RR tyres than you need a more flexible tyres carcass and less tread, NOT thinner rubber. Unless you're running at time trial/peoleton speeds, where tyre aero is more important (which is why TDF riders use narrow tyres, NOT RR) then a fast 30-40mm tyre like a Grand Bois or Almotion is the way to go. A speed optimized premium tyre might feasibly halve your rolling resistance, so it's worth doing.

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This sounds like the bike for me! We sound very similar in size and interests. Have you taken it out on a cross course yet? How did it perform?
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Two of my friends have Tamlands and really like them. We rode the GAP-C&O Canal trails from Pittsburgh to Washington DC last summer, and the Tamland performed great with a rear rack and panniers. Very versatile bike if the geometry fits you.
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I regret not buying a Tamland1!!!!! I went Trek crossrip. Alloy and the stupid part is their might be 1lb difference between the 2.

It took 600 miles though to realize my Synapse alloy on way less tire volume is 10x more comfortable. So for this purpose bike, I should have bought steel, the Tamland!
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I regret not buying a Tamland1!!!!! I went Trek crossrip. Alloy and the stupid part is their might be 1lb difference between the 2.

It took 600 miles though to realize my Synapse alloy on way less tire volume is 10x more comfortable. So for this purpose bike, I should have bought steel, the Tamland!
You want to buy a Tamland Frameset> I have a 56cm available.
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You want to buy a Tamland Frameset> I have a 56cm available.
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This bike seems very similar to the All City space horse except better components and disc brakes....so maybe not actually
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I just came across this article as I am on the lookout/buying of a gravel grinding bike. I see this is from 2015. mjrLV do you still have that 56 cm frameset?
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I just came across this article as I am on the lookout/buying of a gravel grinding bike. I see this is from 2015. mjrLV do you still have that 56 cm frameset?
There's a 56cm 2016 Tamland 1 (the red and black one) thru Raleigh's corp deal for $799, just a heads up for you.
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There's a 56cm 2016 Tamland 1 (the red and black one) thru Raleigh's corp deal for $799, just a heads up for you.

How would I order that thru their corp deal? Any help gladly appreciated. I guess I need to go to my local Raleigh dealer tomorrow to try one out for fitting.
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Ok I have been reading as much info as I can in the last 2-3 days on gravel grinding bikes. Is there anybody on this forum that has ridden both of these bikes that can give me some feedback. I am probably buying one or the other.

I found a used Giant 2014 anyroad 1 for $600

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he says tiagra/105 components
tires are trash on it but the bike looks to be in really good shape. Probably a trade in.

I now have been reading all about the Raleigh tamland 1

shoota just posted on this thread that Raleigh has a 56 cm Tamland on their website brand new for for $799 I knw the tamland has upgraded components as I think they have Shimano 105 which I am real familar with as I had a 105 bike and now all my road bikes are Ultegra.

Any comparisons of these bikes would be greatly appreciated as I am not a newbie to biking as my Lemond 2006 ictoirre has 20,000 mies on here. I know nothing of gravel grinding and anything will be an upgrade from my $200 Schwinn Highlander mt. bike which is just a step above a Wally World bike and might have came over on the Mayflower.

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There's a 56cm 2016 Tamland 1 (the red and black one) thru Raleigh's corp deal for $799, just a heads up for you.
Thanks for much for this info. I was able to log onto the Raleigh site today and set up my Corporate account. I have a LBS locally that sells tons of Raleigh bikes so I am hoping tomorrow that he has Tamland 1 in stock in the 56cm and 58cm as I am kind of in between sizes at 6 ft but I do have long arms with a sleeve length of 34 - 35 inches. I am pretty sure that he won't be able to beat Raleigh online prices. What do you think would be a good price for him to assemble it? Thanks again

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Thanks for much for this info. I was able to log onto the Raleigh site today and set up my Corporate account. I have a LBS locally that sells tons of Raleigh bikes so I am hoping tomorrow that he has Tamland 1 in stock in the 56cm and 58cm as I am kind of in between sizes at 6 ft but I do have long arms with a sleeve length of 34 - 35 inches. I am pretty sure that he won't be able to beat Raleigh online prices. What do you think would be a good price for him to assemble it? Thanks again

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He won't be able to beat your price but if you show him how much you can a Tamland for you may be better off buying the bike from him instead of buying one online and then paying him to build it. That being said putting it together is pretty darn simple.

I'm 6' with short arms and replaced the stock 100mm stem with a 90mm stem and have two spacers on top of it with I think three below it. It's a pretty tall head tube so I think a 56cm would fit you. I tend to err on the side of a size down if I'm in between but this bike feels awesome, not like I'm sizing down. Hope that helps.
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He won't be able to beat your price but if you show him how much you can a Tamland for you may be better off buying the bike from him instead of buying one online and then paying him to build it. That being said putting it together is pretty darn simple.

I'm 6' with short arms and replaced the stock 100mm stem with a 90mm stem and have two spacers on top of it with I think three below it. It's a pretty tall head tube so I think a 56cm would fit you. I tend to err on the side of a size down if I'm in between but this bike feels awesome, not like I'm sizing down. Hope that helps.
$799 for this bike online compared to $1599 or $1699 is a big jump. I have done enough business with this LBS to flat out ask him how much he will charge me to assemble it. Even if it's $100 - $150 I still will have a huge savings.
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$799 for this bike online compared to $1599 or $1699 is a big jump. I have done enough business with this LBS to flat out ask him how much he will charge me to assemble it. Even if it's $100 - $150 I still will have a huge savings.
You sure would. Or assemble it yourself. Seriously, it's not hard.
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$799 for this bike online compared to $1599 or $1699 is a big jump. I have done enough business with this LBS to flat out ask him how much he will charge me to assemble it. Even if it's $100 - $150 I still will have a huge savings.
Depending on where you are, Raleigh's deal is that they will send the bike to a shop for free assembly too.
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This is my first time with disc brakes in about ten years, and the Spyres seem pretty nice. They are dual piston and actuate from both sides, which, at least on paper, offers some nice advantages. This also gives them a lot of adjustability, which is nice for taking the wheels on and off or swapping them out. I had some issues with their initial setup, but I have been able to fix most of them from reading the owner's manual and tinkering. The one thing I haven't been able to remedy is the long pull in the rear brake. I have to get the handle basically back to the bars to get full power.
I have the same brakes and agree that they are pretty nice. Hydros are a bit nicer but overall these aren't too bad. One thing you might want do is to use compressionless brake housings. These flex less and therefore would tighten up the pull a bit especially in the rear. Pretty cheap upgrade too...
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I have the same brakes and agree that they are pretty nice. Hydros are a bit nicer but overall these aren't too bad. One thing you might want do is to use compressionless brake housings. These flex less and therefore would tighten up the pull a bit especially in the rear. Pretty cheap upgrade too...
Can you please give me a brand name of the compression less brake housings. I bought this today(2016 Tamland 1 56 cm) with the Corporate discount of $799.99 and $48.00 sales tax. My local LBS which really sells lots of Raleighs couldn't come close to beating the price. It listed for $1799 and he could get if for me at $1300. He keep asking me if I was buying it from Raleigh and thought he should be able to buy it at the same price I could. Think rural Pa Amish/Mennonite country and he sells tons of these bike. He would be pissed if he found out the difference in price and I probably would lose him for a future wrench. I think I will tell him I bought it from Competitive Cyclist or some other place that sells Raleigh's He said he would put it together for me for $75 which I am good with.

Can somebody tell me a name or brand of the full length bag that goes under the top tube or isn't that good idea for the longer gravel riding races/rides.

Any other suggestions for this bike to get it ready for the long rides which I hope to slowly build up to?

Thanks in advance

Any suggestions for a ride that you like other than the Kanza 200?

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Can somebody tell me a name or brand of the full length bag that goes under the top tube or isn't that good idea for the longer gravel riding races/rides.
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I use this. Frame bags.
I don't race, but it holds up very well for long gravel rides. It's very secure and holds its shape well.



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I use this. Frame bags.
I don't race, but it holds up very well for long gravel rides. It's very secure and holds its shape well.



Can you tell me what Blackburn bag that is in the show us your grinder bike in the post 113 group AristoNYC bike. Any help would be gladly appreciated and wondering if your legs would ever rub on this under the frame bag. I have been kind of stretched to the limit on buying this bike and have wasted enough money in the road cycling end that I hope not to do now in the gravel grinding arena.

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