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Old 11-24-07, 12:27 PM   #1
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How fast to pedal?

I am training to run very fast behind my friends bike with my bow and wanted to know how many mph she should pedal. I am trying to get in shape for bow hunting season so when she rides her bike I run behind her (sort of chasing) her with my bow (not in the drawn position). She wants to know if she is in "2" and "6" and pedaling as fast as she can how fast is she going? This speed is frustrating to me though because I can not keep up (regardless of how many arrows I am carrying). Any thoughts?
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Old 11-24-07, 01:04 PM   #2
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You should find out how fast you can run and get your friend a computer for her bike so she can find the right gear to match your speed and then you can work from there.

I was looking to find out how fast the average human can run but since we're all different I got a wide range of results... I know that when I was a serious runner I could cover a 10 km route (6.3 miles) in 36 minutes which I think is is an average of roughly 10 mph / 16 kmh. This was considered to be quite good.

Your friend is probably running too high a gear as that relates well to the gearing I have on my fixed gear mtb (38 and 16) and when I'm taking it easy I can roll along at 25 kmh which is the speed of Olympic runners.
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Old 11-24-07, 01:42 PM   #3
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Running is EVIL!
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Not sure I understand, but this sounds like a very athletic way to hunt. Why bother with the bow at all? Just get on a bike, find a deer, crank it up to 400 watts and drop it, and then skin it when it collapses of shame?
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Old 11-24-07, 05:40 PM   #5
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I guess this a serious post, but do you have to run WITH our bow? No offense, but you running behind someone on a bike holding a bow sounds kind of weird to me.
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I am trying to increase my speed while running with the bow. I like riding bikes but it is very hard to ride a bike and shoot a bow (I have tried it) not more than two times (despite what you may hear). I dont think I am running 10mph though as that would be very hard to do carrying a bow, arrows, knives, hatchet, firewood and other misc camping supplies. I wonder if I could rig up a bike trailer to pull my gear behind me as I run behind my friends bike? I would still carry the bow and arrows (maybe 3 arrows) but all of the rest could be towed behind me in the trailer. Any body know where I could get a harness?
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Old 11-24-07, 05:46 PM   #7
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Honey, call 911! There's some guy with a bow chasing some poor lady on a bike!
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"No offense, but you running behind someone on a bike holding a bow sounds kind of weird to me. "

Ditto. Why the bike? Just go run.

Leg speed is so variable there's no way to deduce how fast she's going from just the gears she's using. If she doesn't ride bikes much, she probably won't top 22 or 23 miles an hour, maybe not that fast.
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trying to duplicate the chase. Running alone is boring. We are trying to duplicate the chase but on a flat smooth surface.
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Old 11-25-07, 01:12 PM   #10
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If she is moving too fast, tell her to slow down. If she is moving too slow, tell her to speed up. If you want to know what speed you are doing, use Sheldon's gear calculator.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/
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Use Gmap-pedometer.com to measure a stretch of road, say 1000 m or if you like 880 yds, then time yourself running it.

Or, count how many cycles per minute she is pedalling (one full cycle is the downstroke of both left and right foot) and then count the teeth on the '2' and '6' gears.
Then compute your mph as follows:
((Front cog teeth/rear cog teeth) * wheel diameter (eg. 26" for a mountain bike) * cycles per minute * 60)/(12 * 5280)

which can be simplified to

((Front cog teeth/rear cog teeth) * cycles per minute)/40.6 for a mountain bike, or

((Front cog teeth/rear cog teeth) * cycles per minute)/39.1 for a road bike

Someone should double check my math.

Since bike wheels aren't exactly 26" or 27" in diameter these calculations give only an approximate result.

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"No offense, but you running behind someone on a bike holding a bow sounds kind of weird to me. "

Ditto. Why the bike? Just go run.

Leg speed is so variable there's no way to deduce how fast she's going from just the gears she's using. If she doesn't ride bikes much, she probably won't top 22 or 23 miles an hour, maybe not that fast.
Not likely he can run faster than about 12 mph for any distance, or sprint at maybe 18. Oops, already covered by Sixty Fiver.

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trying to duplicate the chase. Running alone is boring. We are trying to duplicate the chase but on a flat smooth surface.
What kind of critter would a human have a chance at chasing down? And if you really were fast enough to chase it down, you would just need a knife, not a bow.

Seems like the only chase you are training for is chasing down slow bike riders on a MUP.
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Sounds like you are doing two things - getting in shape - and practising running with a bow.

Fo getting in shape, a mix of distance and interval running is usually recommended. So if you want to do it with the friend, have her intermittently pick up the pace and drop you, while you try to keep up as long as you can, then slow down and let you catch up.

For running with the bow, you should reallly practise that in the woods you hunt in, to get used to watching where you step, watching the prey, and dealing with irregular terrain.
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You really carry fire wood with you? I've never had a problem sourcing dead wood. I think it would be more realistic to carry a pack with weight aproximating what you carry while you run. Bows are really not that heavy but a pack full of wood could be.
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I wonder if I could rig up a bike trailer to pull my gear behind me as I run behind my friends bike? I would still carry the bow and arrows (maybe 3 arrows) but all of the rest could be towed behind me in the trailer. Any body know where I could get a harness?
I just saw this rig in the paper the other day:

http://www.rei.com/product/705794?cm...l_item*element

They sell skids you can replace the wheels on the trailer with also, if it is snowy. At that point you're not too far from just using 2 poles to make a travois though.
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Perfect rig! This is exactly what I had in mind to carry the other needed supplies and yes...I normally carry my own fire wood. I carry alot of gear (some might say too much gear). I love to run with the bow and arrows (normally 3 arrows) and this rig would likely attach to my trailer. I will go take a look in person and see if they will let me try it out in the store or parking lot. I would take my own trailer and hook this on and run (without bow and arrows).
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Perfect rig! This is exactly what I had in mind to carry the other needed supplies and yes...I normally carry my own fire wood. I carry alot of gear (some might say too much gear). I love to run with the bow and arrows (normally 3 arrows) and this rig would likely attach to my trailer. I will go take a look in person and see if they will let me try it out in the store or parking lot. I would take my own trailer and hook this on and run (without bow and arrows).
For sure try it out first. Make sure there is enough heel clearance for running, not just walking.
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I'm not sure if you are looking for a trailer that you can harness to yourself or if you were looking for something else.

If you are looking for a trailer that is made to harness to a person, the Chariot is the only bike trailer I have seen that has a conversion kit for human pulling.
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I was really looking for something I could pull behind me while running with the bow and 3 arrows. I will go to REI this weekend and see if they will let me run with it. I will also need to make sure it will not be in the way of my arrow holder (as it also rides on my back). Thanks for the good replies I think I am almost there regarding the hauling of my gear. I am still confused though about the speed of my friends bike compared to how fast I can run (but the calculators have been helpful).
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What kind of critter would a human have a chance at chasing down? And if you really were fast enough to chase it down, you would just need a knife, not a bow.

Seems like the only chase you are training for is chasing down slow bike riders on a MUP.
Sorry, Phantoj, but as a country boy who doesn't necessarily hunt, but has grown up with it and has hunter friends, this is the best thread ever!
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Well, I went to REI to try the harness and it did not work well (at all). I took my existing trailer, 3 bundles of firewood, 2 hatchets, 2 knives, water, food, sleeping bag, tent, grill (small smokey joes), matches, a change of clothes and some extra arrows into REI carrying my bow and wearing my arrow holder (with only 3 arrows). I was stopped at the front counter probably because I was pulling an old trailer in. Anyway, once I explained what I wanted to do they said I could try out the carrier. I could not figure out how to attach it to my existing trailer so needless to say I did not get to run around the store or the parking lot with my bow, 3 arrows (on my back) or the trailer full of gear. It was a real waste of time taking all of that there (especially the 3 bundles of firewood. But I am glad I went because I needed a new tube for my mountain bike and while there I also bought a granola trail bar (it was very good). Tomorrow my friend and I start training again so we will head back to the park her on her bike and me running behind her carrying my bow, 3 arrows, firewood, knives and hatchets. I will continue to look for a way to carry the other necesity items such as my tent, sleeping bag, smokey joes grill (small one), water and extra clothes. Without the trailer it is just too much to carry while running behind my friends bike. Thanks for the good suggestions though....I appreciate the help.
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Grill... firewood.... two hatchets... extra clothes? What the hell? This has nothing to do with riding bikes really and you sound completely insane. Anyway, if you hit your target animal in its kill-zone like you're supposed to, then you shouldn't have to chase it. If you aren't confident you can hit its kill-zone then you should not take the shot at all.
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Thanks for the reply lung. I take all of that stuff because I normally stay out there all day and sometimes into the night (once overnight). I like to take all of that gear to stay prepared in case I see any action. I have never actually had the chance to fire the bow at a deer because I can not run fast enough with all of my stuff. That is why I intially posted asking how fast my friend should pedal with me chasing (training to increase overall foot speed) so that I can get close enough to the target. One time I thought I saw a deer out of the corner of my eye but when I looked long enough I realized it was a bird. It was a large bird though in a tree and from where I stood it looked much larger than a hummingbird more like the size of a small dove. Anyway, clearly it was not a deer. The reason I like to chase the deer is because I do not like to sit and wait like some do. I like the action of the chase. I once tried to ride with my bow and 3 arrows but that did not go well at all. I don't care what anyone suggests....it can't be done. It is also hard to carry the supplies mentioned above on a bike. My friend and I did not get to start the training today as I could only find 2 arrows (misplaced after trip to REI) I suppose. As soon as I find the 3rd arrow we will hit the trails again. I enjoy riding my mountain bike and my hybrid bike much better than running.
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