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Old 07-13-04, 02:54 PM   #1
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My first thread, and already a quandary!

Hello to all. I was on another bike forum, but never seemed to get any replies.

Here's my problem.

I would like to get a bike to replace an older, quite heavy [nearly 45 lbs.] mountain bike. I'm wanting a hybrid bike and have been looking at the more 'entry level' bikes. What I've been looking at are the Schwinn Voyager GS, Giant Cypress, Giant Farrago, and the Trek Navigator 7100.

Here's my problem. These ARE [of course] low priced bikes. They have cheap components, whether they be shifters, derailers, front forks, . . . . I basically ride on paved surfaces with my wife, rarely breaking the 10 mph speed. Occationally, we ride on gravel trails.

I've heard that people in the 'know' [when it comes to bikes] say that SRAM isn't any good, that front suspension forks on lower priced bikes aren't any good, etc.

My question is, for what my wife and I do, and how we ride, would the bikes above work well enough, AND have components that will hold up and last a while?

Thanks, I hope to read many excellent posts of those who are high in knowledge when it comes to bikes.
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Old 07-13-04, 02:59 PM   #2
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for your level of riding, i would think those bikes would work fine. as long as you keep the drivetrain clean and maintained properly, any bike that is ridden at those speeds/conditions will last a long time.
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I've been riding an entry level Fisher Tiburon for a year ... Altus rear derailer, cheapo suspension fork. It's fine. Actually, it's better than fine ... I love it. Mostly streets, some limestone and light trails. I did need to personalize the seat (to a B-17), pedals (cages w/ powergrips), add bar ends (for some new positions). I also had to tweak their original set up quite a bit. The adjustable stem is at 0 degree AND I had to lower it about an inch toward the fork to get a normal (not so upright) riding position. I'd say my handlebars are about even with the seat which I find is perfect for keeping my rear end and wrists comfy (not too much weight on either). The thing with these low end bikes is that they have a myriad of riding positions available so I would say play, play, play with the set up until you get most comfortable for your riding.

Anyway, I only have 500 or 600 miles on mine but the components are fine. When the shifting gets a tad sloppy I just clean the whole drivetrain and it's back to working great and smooth. I guess to really answer your question I'd have to be five more years down the road/trail and then tell you how the components are. I saw a "how much to spend recommendation" somewhere that said to spend your annual mileage. I think that is pretty smart and if i'd know how much I'd ride I probably would have gone up a notch or two in components. But, I wasn't sure. This is my first bike back after 20 years. Maybe that is why the components seem so good to me. Sure beats my bikes as a kid.

The other advantage of an entry level hybrid is even if you get very serious and buy something much better and/or much more specialized (moutain or road exclusively) ... this will still be a great errand bike. I wouldn't want to lock up a $1000 bike somewhere.... but a broken in $300 bike isn't so scary to leave.

Good Luck! Just be sure to buy a bike you love then it will invite you on many, many rides.
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Old 07-13-04, 04:15 PM   #4
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I agree with the two previous posts - any of those bikes would probably be plenty durable and suit your needs just fine. There are likely some differences in frame geometry, etc. - so I'd suggest picking the one that fits and feels the best to you...

I rode basic entry level bikes for a long time before moving up to mid-range models. IMO, there's way too much snobbery surrounding bikes and components. The important thing is really just to have a reliable ride and enjoy yourself at whatever level you feel comfortable. If you're not going to do your own maintenance, you should also feel comfortable with the level of expertise and support the shop you purchase the bike(s) from can offer.

Also - you might also want to look at some other comparable brands/models in the same price range, such as whatever REI might be offering in a Novara - they're built by Giant, and you might get more bike for your money by buying from REI.
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My "entry level" Specialized no suspension $295 Hardrock has about 9,000 miles on it and is still percolating down the road.

Keep the chain lubricated and have it checked often for wear - and replace when needed - $20 - which will save you hundreds of dollars on NOT having to replace the chain rings and cassette. I learned this the hard way!

Those bikes will be fine.

(But don't be surprised after getting passed by road bikes "On your left" a few hundred times that you might want to check out a road bike!)

Happened to both me and my wife!
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Old 07-13-04, 10:52 PM   #6
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Sram stuff isn't bad.... the supension forks are OK, but try to find a bike without them becuase they won't really help you much...just something else to go wrong!

You take your $300 hybrid bike and ride it for a thousand of miles and the bottom bracket and rims will wear out. Replace these with stronger parts and ride for a thousand more.

So hurry up and get started! You have riding to do! (you're going to love it)
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Old 07-14-04, 06:03 AM   #7
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My new recumbent has SRAM 5.0 and it shifts better than my older Trek 1000 road bike when it was new. If you have the need for speed look into a 'bent. super comfortable too.

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Old 07-21-04, 08:26 AM   #8
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Thanks for the replies. Right now, I have an older MTB with a full suspension frame. 45 lbs. is what the weight is on my bathroom scale. Made by Royce Union. . . . . . . . as the laughter begins to die down, I continue. Yes, I was very 'raw' when it came to bikes when I got this. I bought it at a garage sale and didn't know that Royce Union was just a Huffy made bike, sold by Sears. I found out later when I did an internet search, much to my horror, especially since something like a Huffy was the last thing I wanted!!! To add insult to injury, as I looked at the bike, I noticed the colors [red and yellow] looked like what Ronald McDonald might ride. So I stripped the decals off, sanded down the frame, and sprayed dark metalic grey on it. Looked better.

One day, while on Ebay looking at bike stuff, I did a search for TREK to see what kind of bikes they had. I came accross a person who was selling TREK decals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . after they came in, I put them on the bike. A co-worker found it amusing [when I told him what I had done] and gave the bike a new name, 'TIRAH', which stands for This Is Really A Huffy.

Anyway, my birthday is coming up and my wife is getting me a new hybrid bike [hence the reason for this thread]. I was trying to decide between two that I have narrowed down to, but wanted to get the best componets I could for the money. The Giant Cypress http://www.giantbicycle.com/us/030.0...47&model=10783 and the Trek 7100 http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/citybike/7100.jsp

Now here's another piece of the puzzle. The bike shop that sells the Cypress said they could put on the rapid fire shifters for about $25. First, is that a good idea [either methode of shifting would be fine with me]?

At this point, I'm leaning towards the TREK 7100 basically because of aesthetic reasons. It LOOKS nicer [the paint scheme]. If they're both equal in componets and quality/reliability, I'll go with the TREK. But I'm not opposed to the Giant, if it is a better deal.

Thanks for your further help, guys and gals!!!! I appreciate it VERY much!!
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Trek 7100 is a fine bike for where you are and what you plan to do. It's generally a good idea to go low when you start. When you outgrow your hybrid (if you do) you will need a lot more than a couple of component changes to make you happy, so might as well save the money now, so you can purchase that "special" bike later.
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I am slao in the arket for my first bike in about 15 years. I do not recommend Schwinn, becasue I have been told/see many times on these forums that Schwinn is now owned by Pacific and pacific makes *mart bikes.

I am leaning toward a Gary Fisher Zebrano. It is one up over the Tiburon is I remember correctly. The proce difference is $380 to $320. I inquired about outgrading parts and found out it I would be better off spending the extra $60 to start off with.

Personally I linke the quick change better than on the bars. They seem to changed more precisely. I also road the Trek 7200 (as it is the same price point as the Zebrano)and found the Fisher to be nicer. Since the last bike was a MTB, you may find the positioning of the FIsher more like what you remember. I like a bit more agressive positioning and like you my seat and bars are even.

I was at 2 differnt shops though so I am going to go back to where I think I will buy from and try them both there Sat. If luck is my "lady" I will return with a new bike. If not, I will have to wait until early to mid sept ($ on hand). Good luck in you search.
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Old 07-21-04, 10:36 AM   #11
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By the way, I feel I have to add this.

My ride with my wife all the time [actually, the ONLY time I ride is with her]. She does not like going much over 15 mph and only cares to ride at a slow steady pace. We average under 10 mph. She doesn't care to go any faster, and since I stay with her, that's how fast I'll be going. I can say with a good amount of accuracy that I don't expect this to change in the future. We just ride for fun.

Just a little more info to throw into the stew.

PS: By the way, would the Gary Fisher Tiberon be another bike I should be looking at? There is a dealer in my town. Is it in the same price range?

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Old 07-21-04, 11:54 AM   #12
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Fisher Tiburon is 329.99 according to the site. You can find all the specks here:

http://fisherbikes.com/bikes/bike_de...h&bike=Tiburon
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Seems to me, in the price range I'm looking at, the Tiburon is the best deal. And it comes with the rapid fire shifting already. I called the dealer that sells them and they said that they'll be out of Tiburons until the middle of August. Perhaps that's the one I should go for.

Thanks for the link, glenghillie!! :
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By the way, I feel I have to add this.

My ride with my wife all the time [actually, the ONLY time I ride is with her]. She does not like going much over 15 mph and only cares to ride at a slow steady pace. We average under 10 mph. She doesn't care to go any faster, and since I stay with her, that's how fast I'll be going. I can say with a good amount of accuracy that I don't expect this to change in the future. We just ride for fun.

Just a little more info to throw into the stew.

PS: By the way, would the Gary Fisher Tiberon be another bike I should be looking at? There is a dealer in my town. Is it in the same price range?
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After taking a look at the Tiburon, and coming to the realization that it will feel about the same as the other bikes I have tried, I plan on getting the Tiburon, barring if I actually try one out at the store and just don't feel right on it. But realistically, I don't see that happening. I've ridden several different bikes, and they all seem pretty much the same to me. However, the Tiburon has the rapid fire that I prefer, . . . . . that is, if the 2005 will still be equiped with them.

Now is the waiting game. I have to wait until they arrive at the bike shop, probably late August.

DnvrFox, I'll ride as fast as she does. She gets scared anything over 15 mph. Maybe she'll grow out of it someday.

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I absolutely LOVE my Trek 7100. I wouldnt trade it for any other bike out there. Except another Trek.

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If the Tiburon changes too much [lesser components, loosing the Rapid Fire shifters, etc], or doesn't give me the riding position I like, then the 7100 is next in line.
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I have a Raleigh C40 that cost 350. It's a very nice hybrid bike. I've put about 1600 miles on it so far and no real problems. Only thing I've done is replaced the chain which will need to be done on any bike after about 1-1.5 k miles. I'm now looking at stepping up to a road bike. I think starting with the inexpensive hybrid before I knew how much ridding I'd do was a good idea. Now I'll have the road bike for hard core distance and speed and the hybrid for light off-road or errands where I have to lock it up somewhere. Anyway that's just my 2 cents.
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I've stated this in a few other threads, so I guess I should mention it here. I ended up getting the TREK 7100 because the LBS upgraded it to Rapid Fire shifters. It all cost me roughly $340. It was a good purchase. Works very well and will last me for years to come!
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Quite possibly as your significant other starts to ride more and becomes more comfortable she will automatically get faster. Also speed is relative. If I constantly look at my speedometer it seems to stay at a certain speed. If I ignore it, look around, just have fun with the ride and I happen glance at it I sometimes find my speed has increased by as much as 2 MPH, even though I feel and think I'm going much slower. I've even had this happen on mild hills! Maybe I should turn it upside down so I can't see it then just use it to recover ride stats!

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